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dcontroversal said:
Nice try....it is not false nor unbiblical to judge your erroneous view and or post concerning the parable of the sower.........

It amazes me how many miss the simple truth of the parable and how it accurately defines the 4 possible responses to the word of God in anyone's life......

a. Does not receive and remins lost
b. Receives but no growth, no fruit
c. Receives but choked growth, little fruit
d. Receives, good growth, abundant fruit

The bible supports the above and this is what it teaches in a nut shell......!
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You judged me to be ""spiritual indifference"" that i am spiritually indifferent.. That was not a disagreement with the message of a parrable.. That was a personal denegrating attack upon me.. Do you stand by your assesment of my character? Yes or No ?
 
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Adstar said:
I have debated cavlinists for over a decade and if you are a calvinist and are don't believe Faith is a work then you will be the first calvinist i have ever met who did not think Faith was a work..
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Then I'm sorry that your straw man is so apparent to all but yourself. No Calvinist believes faith is a work, but then I'm not sure what you mean since you haven't elaborated. Are you speaking of faith as related to the time of one's conversion?

All Reformed believe faith is a gift, and that belief is the work of God as already explained to you. Note John 6:26; Ephesians 1:19; Romans 12:3; Philippians 1:29.

I must say I believe you've misunderstood our position for over a decade. I'll wait for other Reformed brothers and sisters to respond, if they will, and show us further their stance as well.
 
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Adstar said:
I am not looking for credit.. All praise boasting and honor are to LORD Jesus..

Believing that water is wet is not something to take credit for.. Neither is believing Jesus and trusting in what He did.. People believe what people believe there is no effort in believing.. Once one believes Jesus then trusting that Jesus atonement saves is effortless..
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I'm sorry if I sounded like I was accusing you or anything. I was just kind of "proclaiming" it, I wasn't trying to attack you with it or anything like that. Again, I'm truly sorry if I came across too combative. It's just a limit speaking through text has. That's why I prefer face to face interaction. Have a great day. :D
 
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No no.. His acusation that i had ""spiritual indifference"" As if i did not care about what i was saying or believed..
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Yet you still have not responded to the fact you were wrong in what you said.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yet you still have not responded to the fact you were wrong in what you said.
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Believe it or not i have been trying to withdraw from this discussion because i find discussions with calvinists to be the most unplesant exchanges i have ever been involved in.. They always end up making things personal.. They attack the character of the person that does not believe in T.U.L.I.P doctrines..

When i said inheritance i meant it in the terms of a future.. The son had no chance of a future and would die in the foreign land if he did not come back to his Father and confess his foolishness for leaving.. I stand by that assessment of the parable..
 
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Believe it or not i have been trying to withdraw from this discussion because i find discussions with calvinists to be the most unplesant exchanges i have ever been involved in.. They always end up making things personal.. They attack the character of the person that does not believe in T.U.L.I.P doctrines..
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I am not a calvinist, i am just responding to a post you made where you stated the prodigal would have nt recieved their inheritance, when in fact he already did.

When i said inheritance i meant it in the terms of a future.. The son had no chance of a future and would die in the foreign land if he did not come back to his Father and confess his foolishness for leaving.. I stand by that assessment of the parable..
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An inheritance is an iinheritance, and he recieved it.

Sadly, like many true children, we think our blessings are so great and we can walk away, we find out how wrong we are and this causes us to come back, i speak from the experience because it has happened to me, and i know if i ded apart from the body, god would still have kept his word..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Sadly, like many true children, we think our blessings are so great and we can walk away, we find out how wrong we are and this causes us to come back, i speak from the experience because it has happened to me, and i know if i ded apart from the body, god would still have kept his word..
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Just for curiosity sake.. How did you walk away? Describe what you did. Or didn't do.. Break it down for me.. Describe what walking away is?
 
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Just for curiosity sake.. How did you walk away? Describe what you did. Or didn't do.. Break it down for me.. Describe what walking away is?
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I left the church and lived in the world, i did what the prodigal son did.

I mean does it reall matter what i did?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I left the church and lived in the world, i did what the prodigal son did.

I mean does it reall matter what i did?
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Did you disbelieve that Jesus was the Son of God..
Did you come to disbelieve that Jesus was raised from the dead..
Did you come to disbelieve that the the death of Jesus on the cross did not secure atonement for our sins..

As far as salvation is concerned doing what the prodigal son did ( sin ) does not matter because we all sin.. We humans with our human measure of sin grade sins differently between seriously bad to the little sins like little white lies.. But as far as a perfect God is concerned just one little sin is enough to disqualify an unsaved person from receiving eternal life..

Disbelieving God and believing that the atonement of Jesus is of no use is what walking away is..

Well that's what i believe..
 
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Adstar said:
What???
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Yes indeed. The Parable of the Soils is the proper description.

The sower is not particularly relevant in this parable. He is sowing and sowing good seed. That's it.
 
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Adstar said:
Did you disbelieve that Jesus was the Son of God..
Did you come to disbelieve that Jesus was raised from the dead..
Did you come to disbelieve that the the death of Jesus on the cross did not secure atonement for our sins..

As far as salvation is concerned doing what the prodigal son did ( sin ) does not matter because we all sin.. We humans with our human measure of sin grade sins differently between seriously bad to the little sins like little white lies.. But as far as a perfect God is concerned just one little sin is enough to disqualify an unsaved person from receiving eternal life..

Disbelieving God and believing that the atonement of Jesus is of no use is what walking away is..

Well that's what i believe..
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No, no true child of God would stop believing the gospel truth, buti did commit the sins which many would say I could not be saved while doing them,
 
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PennEd said:
The impetus of this thread is NOT to say " Look at all the differences we have with each other".

The point is most of us on CC believe the 1st 5. VERY few threads are made disputing the 1st 5, with the exception of an occasional one about Christ's deity.

It's OK for us debate and get passionate about the rest of the list, as long we recognize we ARE brothers and sisters in Christ, and that the love we should have for one another should overrule our passion.


OOh! Thought of another.

21. We are NOT promised a healthy and wealthy EARTHLY life. Although the Lord certainly CAN give us both within His Will.
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Woah,how in the world do you come to that conclusion?
What verses?
 
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cv5 said:
Yes indeed. The Parable of the Soils is the proper description.

The sower is not particularly relevant in this parable. He is sowing and sowing good seed. That's it.
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I have never seen it titled anything other then the parable of the sower of the seeds or similar wording.. Never heard it called Parable of the soils..

Where did you learn this title?
 
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Adstar said:
I have never seen it titled anything other then the parable of the sower of the seeds or similar wording.. Never heard it called Parable of the soils..

Where did you learn this title?
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Oh....here and there.
Parable of the Soils is undoubtedly correct.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No, no true child of God would stop believing the gospel truth, buti did commit the sins which many would say I could not be saved while doing them,
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Well i would not say that.. If sin disqualifies a believer in the Gospel from salvation then no one is saved..

So for me i do not believe you ever fell away / walked away since you continued in believing the Gospel truth..
 
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On my phone so short as possible.
Faith not a work . Also a reformed person here .
Blessings
Bill
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
buti did commit the sins which many would say I could not be saved while doing them,
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I honestly believe there is NO SIN a Christian "couldn't do". Maybe the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. But i dont believe ANYONE can commit that sin today, because Jesus is not in the flesh on earth today.

Im much like the pharisees in one regard, in that on the outside if you look at my life you probably would think im a perfect Christian, you wouldnt catch me drinking, smoking, i try to be polite to people, I stand up when elderly enter the room, etc. etc.
But because of my past life in the mean-streets, my mind is still wicked as hell. I got no gripes about admitting that, but im trying im trying im trying.

I just feel like its A LOT easier to clean the outside (meaning to cease from CERTAIN sins, from PHYSICALLY doing them) than it is to clean the INSIDE (the mind I mean by this)

I would really appreciate if some of the brethren could give me some ADVICE on this
 
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Hevosmies said:
I honestly believe there is NO SIN a Christian "couldn't do". Maybe the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. But i dont believe ANYONE can commit that sin today, because Jesus is not in the flesh on earth today.

Im much like the pharisees in one regard, in that on the outside if you look at my life you probably would think im a perfect Christian, you wouldnt catch me drinking, smoking, i try to be polite to people, I stand up when elderly enter the room, etc. etc.
But because of my past life in the mean-streets, my mind is still wicked as hell. I got no gripes about admitting that, but im trying im trying im trying.

I just feel like its A LOT easier to clean the outside (meaning to cease from CERTAIN sins, from PHYSICALLY doing them) than it is to clean the INSIDE (the mind I mean by this)

I would really appreciate if some of the brethren could give me some ADVICE on this
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if you have received Christ then you have not blasphemed the HS. You have instead agreed with, recieved his calling and convicting and teaching, and have received the HS.
 
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