If you are not saved in the first place you will never enter heaven. Many have only a mental ascent to Christ and not a belief wrought in Holy Spirit conviction.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Well said.
If you are not saved in the first place you will never enter heaven. Many have only a mental ascent to Christ and not a belief wrought in Holy Spirit conviction.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
the bible says that every man that has this hope In him will seek to purify himself even as he Is pure so then how will he walk away,wouldn't the WORD of GOD stand as correct?
In order to understand that, you will have to understand how depraved we are by our nature. We all are tempted by our sinful nature and do things that we really do not want to do. Paul explains this in Gal 5:17.
Was Judas a "true" Christian how do you know he was ever saved or one of those who said "I called you Lord" but are not ever Saved?
What is meant by "need the Holy Spirit to be saved"?You need the Holy Spirit to be saved. None of the disciples had that until Pentecost.![]()
What is meant by "need the Holy Spirit to be saved"?
I didn't mean to suggest you stuttered. My apologies.I didn't stutter! Either you have it or you do not. If you do not, keep looking because you need it.
Acts 19:2-5 "He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
Was this before or after Pentecost?You need the Holy Spirit to be saved. None of the disciples had that until Pentecost.![]()
Even after we are regenerated we all still at times yield to the temptations of our fleshly depraved nature. That is why God tells us to repent. The unregenerate feel no need to repent of spiritual laws because he cannot discern the things of theI was talking about after a person gets saved.
Before we get saved,men still have a choice that they can make because every man knows that there Is a GOD,the creation Itself declares It so then there Is no excuse seeing that we have sense knowledge,we can decide to choose,and no one Is SO depraved that they can’t make a common sense choice.
Moses had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and so did all of the rest of the old testament saints and prophets.You need the Holy Spirit to be saved. None of the disciples had that until Pentecost.![]()
Joseph Prince preached we can beat our wives stupid and God will be ok with that.
Not surprisedWe know that God created Eve for Adam as a help mate. She was made from the rib of Adam meaning she was to stand by him, not be under his foot. Joseph Prince preached we can beat our wives stupid and God will be ok with that. How does God make man a help mate and a prominent Grace preacher turn her into a punching bag that God finds it to be good? He preaches we can do what we want and God overlooks it. How did do unto your brother as you would have them do to you, end up being I can beat-steal-lie-kill my neighbor and God's ok with it?
Indwelling?I guess I missed that Old Testament scripture.Moses had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and so did all of the rest of the old testament saints and prophets.
If you are not saved in the first place you will never enter heaven. Many have only a mental ascent to Christ and not a belief wrought in Holy Spirit conviction.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes GOD convicts but the question someone might ask Is how does this look,no one can come to JESUS unless the Father who sent JESUS draws them?That is very interesting. Can a person have a mental ascent without being convicted by the Holy Spirit? Does "logic" alone make people "get saved", or is it conviction of the heart that makes people get saved?
Salvation... the Jesus story is not logical.... some man claiming to be died over 2000 years ago. And He will "SAVE" us!?!
Yes GOD convicts but the question someone might ask Is how does this look,no one can come to JESUS unless the Father who sent JESUS draws them?
IMO,that means that Inwardly the person has to be sincere on the heart level In TRUTH and GOD has put It In every person to know that there Is GOD.
I was wondering that as well.Indwelling?I guess I missed that Old Testament scripture.
Salvation is by grace through faith. Mental ascent does not convert the soul. If you have never been convicted by the Holy Spirit about your sin, Christ's righteousness and the certain judgment of God upon sin you have never been saved.That is very interesting. Can a person have a mental ascent without being convicted by the Holy Spirit? Does "logic" alone make people "get saved", or is it conviction of the heart that makes people get saved?
Salvation... the Jesus story is not logical.... some man claiming to be died over 2000 years ago. And He will "SAVE" us!?!
I would define "mental ascent" as an acknowledgement of the existence of God or the validity of the Bible and the church, but without an inner change having occurred. It is one thing to believe that there is a God, quite another to embrace the gospel message as your own. Heart knowledge rather than merely head knowledge. Missing heaven by one foot, as the saying goes. The distance between head and heart.That is very interesting. Can a person have a mental ascent without being convicted by the Holy Spirit? Does "logic" alone make people "get saved", or is it conviction of the heart that makes people get saved?
Salvation... the Jesus story is not logical.... some man claiming to be died over 2000 years ago. And He will "SAVE" us!?!
If we leave Jesus and turn from him we loose salvation.