Trinity, lets make sense of it

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Sackcloth-N-Ashes

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prove-all said:
The trinity is a man made doctrine, was presided over,
started by a roman idea who was worshiped as a god,
then we have [the holy roman empire] church state combination.
you might want to study up on This [woman] mentioned in the bible.

The papal calendar , the holidays on it are all pagan, and God
even prophesied it would change time, seasons and laws.
I should get lots of dislikes for these comments, like that helps lol.
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Well, you are horribly wrong with your denial of a triune Godhead. Believe as you will, as I am shaking the dust off my feet and walking away from you and your unrepentant heart. Good bye.
 
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Hevosmies said:
Hey.

This is how I believe it too.

What do you call yourself if i may ask? Whats this belief called? Is there a 'tag' on it? Anyone?
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Hi, I'm pentecostal and my spiritual home on earth is the Elim Pentecostal Church in the UK. I don't know if the fulfilment of Old Testament scripture has a name, other than Christianity.
 
maxwel

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Hevosmies said:
hah

If you have studied church history, you know there were a BUNCH OF different ideas floating around about who Jesus was.
At one point Arianism was the majority, today Trinitarianism is the majority.
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If someone wants to hold a view contrary to all the major church councils, all the church creeds, and all orthodox denominations... that's fine by me.

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prove-all

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John in the Apocalypse, or book of Revelation, describes the last warning message:

“If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead,
or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured
out without mixture” (Revelation 14:9-10).

This prophecy is most significant because it is revealing,
in advance, events immediately ahead of us at this present time.
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Here’s a handy dandy diagram that should cut through all the confusion my friend...

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This is after all, a human attempt to explain to presence of God in heaven, on earth and in our hearts. The word 'hearts' in the plural being indicative of God's omnipresence. I wondered if you have ever thought of replacing the word person with the word 'presence" and whether you think "God with us" or "God present with us" more fully describes the wonder and nature of the true God?
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
No
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I always think of a person as someone with two arms and to legs. I do not see either the WORD (the Father) or the Holy Spirit that way.

I can understand how people get the wrong idea of the Trinity if we present it as three people.
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes

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PS said:
I always think of a person as someone with two arms and to legs. I do not see either the WORD (the Father) or the Holy Spirit that way.

I can understand how people get the wrong idea of the Trinity if we present it as three people.
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God is Spirit. That does not make Him not a person, as all life comes from Him.
 
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PS said:
I always think of a person as someone with two arms and to legs. I do not see either the WORD (the Father) or the Holy Spirit that way.

I can understand how people get the wrong idea of the Trinity if we present it as three people.
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But even a chimpanzee has two arms and two legs yet is not a person.
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
God is Spirit. That does not make Him not a person, as all life comes from Him.
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I'm not arguing with you, only debating. It is just that I do not see God as a Spirit person.

Neither do I have a person in my heart.
 
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PS said:
I'm not arguing with you, only debating. It is just that I do not see God as a Spirit person.

Neither do I have a person in my heart.
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I don't think he's arguing either. You are thinking that a person is a human body with arms and legs &c. No one is saying God has arms and legs when they're saying he is a person. Personhood is not about that, it isn't a physical body of flesh.
 
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PS said:
I'm not arguing with you, only debating. It is just that I do not see God as a Spirit person.

Neither do I have a person in my heart.
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If you saying God is not a Person, yes you are arguing with me, my friend.
 
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PS said:
This is Jehovah speaking in the Old Testament.
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isa 45:22-23 KJV)

This is Jehovah promised in the Old Testament.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isa 9:6 KJV)

This is Jehovah in fulfilment of prophesy here on earth.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:10-11 KJV)

I'm happy to believe Jesus is the WORD made flesh. Or to put it simply, "Jesus is God in overalls."
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No
Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Wow! Denying the Personhood of God.
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Personhood is a state of being, as in childhood, motherhood, fatherhood, knighthood, widowhood, sainthood etc.

It does not describe God's state of being except to reduce him to a human level. This is church dogma you are giving us according to Sproul and Calvin et. al.
 
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