Trinity, lets make sense of it

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This is Jehovah speaking in the Old Testament.
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isa 45:22-23 KJV)

This is Jehovah promised in the Old Testament.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isa 9:6 KJV)

This is Jehovah in fulfilment of prophesy here on earth.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:10-11 KJV)

I'm happy to believe Jesus is the WORD made flesh. Or to put it simply, "Jesus is God in overalls."
 
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bygrace

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PS said:
This is Jehovah speaking in the Old Testament.
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isa 45:22-23 KJV)

This is Jehovah promised in the Old Testament.
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isa 9:6 KJV)

This is Jehovah in fulfilment of prophesy here on earth.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:10-11 KJV)

I'm happy to believe Jesus is the WORD made flesh. Or to put it simply, "Jesus is God in overalls."
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same God spoke in gen 1
 
Hevosmies

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PS said:
This is Jehovah speaking in the Old Testament.
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. (Isa 45:22-23 KJV)

This is Jehovah in fulfilment of prophesy here on earth.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Php 2:10-11 KJV)

I'm happy to believe Jesus is the WORD made flesh. Or to put it simply, "Jesus is God in overalls."
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Hey.

This is how I believe it too.

What do you call yourself if i may ask? Whats this belief called? Is there a 'tag' on it? Anyone?
 
GraceAndTruth

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I never cease wondering how people think the FINITE mind can understand the INFINITE.
Scripture will not convince the antichrists and believers do not need convincing.
 
Deade

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bygrace said:
oneness
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I am not oneness, nor am I trinity. I know Jesus is fully God. I know the heavenly Father is fully God. The Holy Spirit I do not believe is a separate personality. The Holy Spirit is what makes God what He/They are. I can't fathom with my finite mind the part of God that is everywhere. I can say it, I can believe it, but I can't fully explain it. That is omnipresence.

What about omniscience? How does God keep track of all that information? This is everything about everybody past present and future. What about omnipotence? Being able to keep all of the haphazard events of life to steadily work into your will regarding everything. We can create these words, but I defy anyone's ability to really understand these things. :cool:
 
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God and the Word, makeup God,
the Holy Spirit is [the Power of God]

The Holy Spirit is given to those who God wants.

blasphemes against the Holy Spirit: it is blaspheme associated with attributing
the works Jesus did using the Holy Spirit [the power of God] to that of demons.
 
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The trinity symbol is a closed circuit,
to me this denies the fact God wants to make us
like Him, and not ashamed to call us His sons.
 
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The trinity concept, over the last couple centuries,
experts say you have to believe it or you are not saved.

They also say you can go crazy trying to figure it out,
and man just have to believe it anyway.

But my God is not a God of confusion.
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes

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Deade said:
Your diagram doesn't cut it. You are separating the Holy Spirit from the Father and the son. The Father is the HS and the son is the HS. If you separate any of them they cease to become God.
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Wrong my friend. They are One God, but three distinct persons. The Father is God, the Spirit is God, but the Spirit is not the Father, and vice versa. The Son is God, but He is not the Father or the Spirit.
 
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If the Holy Spirit was a person,
then Jesus would be called the Son of The Holy Spirit.
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
The Holy Spirit is not the Father so this fails.
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35And the angel answered and said unto her, (The Holy Ghost) shall come upon thee,
and (the power of the Highest) shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called (the Son of God).

Again if it was a person, Jesus would be called the Son of the Holy Spirit.
 
preacher4truth

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Deade said:
What you are stating is not trinity doctrine, it is modalism. Trinity says God is three separate persons. I feel that simply using the term "person" we are missing real picture. Person means of a son. God isn't of any son. Our labels are not adequate to explain the complex character of God. We need to quit trying to label Him. There is a saying: "You label me, you limit me." :cool:
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Person means "son?" Limitting the definition of "person" to a physical being is where and why you're mistaken.
 
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I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, (by my great power)
and by my outstretched arm, (and have given it) (unto whom it seemed meet unto me).
 
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bygrace

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Deade said:
I am not oneness, nor am I trinity. I know Jesus is fully God. I know the heavenly Father is fully God. The Holy Spirit I do not believe is a separate personality. The Holy Spirit is what makes God what He/They are. I can't fathom with my finite mind the part of God that is everywhere. I can say it, I can believe it, but I can't fully explain it. That is omnipresence.

What about omniscience? How does God keep track of all that information? This is everything about everybody past present and future. What about omnipotence? Being able to keep all of the haphazard events of life to steadily work into your will regarding everything. We can create these words, but I defy anyone's ability to really understand these things. :cool:
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you can call yourself whatever you like but the oneness doctrine does not hold to the Godhead nor the concept of the Trinity. also one accountable to what they have said. And the statement by I think PS is one of the oneness doctrines if you identify as one or not.
 
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