IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then
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(Acts 24:14) But this I confess to you, that according to the Way, which they call
a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law
and written in the Prophets,
10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded"
and hostile to God.
(Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit
to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days
after joining the church.
(Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that
cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.
(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority?
Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God
is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us,
because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.
13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness,
and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.
(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness,
14. Paul mentions that priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.
(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.
If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says
"you are not under law but under grace".
Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture
that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....
(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under
the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law
but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to
someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing
God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come".
Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's
sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)
17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded
new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law,
instead of faith in Jesus Christ.
(Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith
in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law,
were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul
had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.
(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those
who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God
—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
- those weak and miserable forces where not Gods Holy convocations.
19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation.
Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind,
and causes you to walk in them.(Hebrews 10:16)
(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,
says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."
20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them.
(2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these
matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant
and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Therefore, dear friends, since you have been
Reply
You are omiting the documented resurecion of the patriarchs at or around Jesus resurection.
I can look it up for you
a sect, I worship the God of our fathers, believing everything laid down by the Law
and written in the Prophets,
10. Paul said that those who refuse to submit to the law are "carnal minded"
and hostile to God.
(Romans 8:7-8) The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit
to God's law, nor can it do so. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
11. Paul continued to travel to Jerusalem to celebrate God's feast days
after joining the church.
(Acts 18:21) But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that
cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.
12. Paul often quoted from Moses's writings, and cited it as authority.
(1 Corinthians 9:9-10) Do I say this merely on human authority?
Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? For it is written in the Law of Moses:
“Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Is it about oxen that God
is concerned? Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us,
because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.
13. Paul claimed that ALL scripture is good for instruction in righteousness,
and given through inspiration of God. He never singled out Moses' writings.
(2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness,
14. Paul mentions that priests are still offering sacrifices to God
even after Christ's death on the cross.
(Hebrews 8:3-4) Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices,
and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer.
If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already priests
who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
15. The most well known teaching in Paul's letters is the one where he says
"you are not under law but under grace".
Millions of people quote this scripture, they almost always leave out the scripture
that immediately follows it. Watch what happens when you add the context....
(Romans 6:14-16) For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under
the law, but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law
but under grace? By no means! Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to
someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey--whether you are
slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
16. Paul told the Colossians not to let anyone judge them because they were observing
God's sabbaths and feasts because these appointed times are "a shadow of things to come".
Meaning they reveal future events, just like the passover foreshadowed Christ's
sacrifice on the cross.(Colossians 2:16-17)
17. Paul never repremanded anyone for obeying God's law. Instead, he repremanded
new gentile converts, the Galatians, who were trying to be justified by the law,
instead of faith in Jesus Christ.
(Galatians 2:16) Know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith
in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by
faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
18. The Galatians, who Paul was repremanding for trying to be justified by the law,
were going back to serving other gods after they were circumcised. This is why Paul
had to explain that the works of the law can't earn your salvation.
(Galatians 4: 8-11) Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those
who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God—or rather are known by God
—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish
to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months
and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
- those weak and miserable forces where not Gods Holy convocations.
19. Paul understood that obedience to God's law is a natural result of salvation.
Once you become a true christian, God writes His law on your heart and mind,
and causes you to walk in them.(Hebrews 10:16)
(Hebrews 10:16) "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,
says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."
20. Paul's letters come with a warning label attached to them.
(2 Peter 3:16-17) He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these
matters.His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant
and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Therefore, dear friends, since you have been
Reply
You are omiting the documented resurecion of the patriarchs at or around Jesus resurection.
I can look it up for you
9And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
They are not named. Impossible to determine an identity.
They are not named. Impossible to determine an identity.
The ceremonial law is definitely obsolete (Paul kept the ceremonies as a testimony to the Jews, but they are NOT obligatory for the Church). Gods law is NOT obsolete, it is being fulfilled in believers by true worship in Spirit and in Truth. Nevertheless, the sin of believers IS being "passed over" by Grace and propitiation.
Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. 7And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. 7And he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water.”
I think we could compare this with Jesus' resurrection timing prophecy.
Jesus said, three days and three nights. What actually happened? (a mess to explain)
Probably the same thing here. Although I see some humor in the statement.
Those who are Raptured will not have to wait seven years to see Jesus.
Obviously they will see Him immediately. (or soon after) Not in seven years.
Furthermore, seven years doesn't give us the day or the time.
In fact a global event happens on different days and times simultaneously due to how time works.
And which calendar would you use? The Roman calendar, or Hebrew calendar?
Jesus said, three days and three nights. What actually happened? (a mess to explain)
Probably the same thing here. Although I see some humor in the statement.
Those who are Raptured will not have to wait seven years to see Jesus.
Obviously they will see Him immediately. (or soon after) Not in seven years.
Furthermore, seven years doesn't give us the day or the time.
In fact a global event happens on different days and times simultaneously due to how time works.
And which calendar would you use? The Roman calendar, or Hebrew calendar?
I was thinking
that we can not know the day or hour because the times in different parts of the world and the days would be off...like in china would be diff. then here in the USA, and the time would be vastly diff...yet we are to know the times and seasons we are in through Gods word and prophecy of things to come...love in Christ Sherril..
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that we can not know the day or hour because the times in different parts of the world and the days would be off...like in china would be diff. then here in the USA, and the time would be vastly diff...yet we are to know the times and seasons we are in through Gods word and prophecy of things to come...love in Christ Sherril..
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Just imagine him moving completly across the sky in 5 or 10 min
All could be gathered in a few minutes,
In a mere 10 minutes, the bride in africa and N&S America could be gathered.
Has anyone noticed that in the book of Revelation heaven is opened twice?
Once when John is caught up. Another time when the Lord returns with His saints. Jesus is called "the door" in the gospels. Could this be a pre-trib proof text? IF we accept that John is a type of the church there. Not saying it is, but COULD be, ok?
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Once when John is caught up. Another time when the Lord returns with His saints. Jesus is called "the door" in the gospels. Could this be a pre-trib proof text? IF we accept that John is a type of the church there. Not saying it is, but COULD be, ok?
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Good day Absolutely,
forgive me for jumping in, but I wanted to bring this the following to your attention:
"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. "
In the scripture above, Paul is teaching that we are not under the law, but under grace. Jesus disarmed the rulers and authorities (powers of darkness) by meeting the righteous requirements of the law and paying the penalty for sins, so that he fulfilled the law satisfying it completely.
My point is that, Paul did not tell the Colossians "not to let anyone judge them because they were observing God's sabbaths and feast" but was telling them not to let anyone judge them for not observing them as a means for salvation. For those things were all observances of the law, the feasts, abstaining from certain foods, the Sabbaths, New Moons, etc. For these were all observances required by the law.
In other words he is saying to them, don't let anyone judge you because you're eating something that was previously forbidden to eat under the law. Don't let anyone judge you because you're not keeping the things prescribed in the law as a means of salvation, because they were only a shadow of the things to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ, not in the observance of the works of the law.
"For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God."
It's not "all who believe in Christ and keep the works of the law who are made right with God. But those who believe in Christ without trusting in those works of the law.
forgive me for jumping in, but I wanted to bring this the following to your attention:
"When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. "
In the scripture above, Paul is teaching that we are not under the law, but under grace. Jesus disarmed the rulers and authorities (powers of darkness) by meeting the righteous requirements of the law and paying the penalty for sins, so that he fulfilled the law satisfying it completely.
My point is that, Paul did not tell the Colossians "not to let anyone judge them because they were observing God's sabbaths and feast" but was telling them not to let anyone judge them for not observing them as a means for salvation. For those things were all observances of the law, the feasts, abstaining from certain foods, the Sabbaths, New Moons, etc. For these were all observances required by the law.
In other words he is saying to them, don't let anyone judge you because you're eating something that was previously forbidden to eat under the law. Don't let anyone judge you because you're not keeping the things prescribed in the law as a means of salvation, because they were only a shadow of the things to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ, not in the observance of the works of the law.
"For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God."
It's not "all who believe in Christ and keep the works of the law who are made right with God. But those who believe in Christ without trusting in those works of the law.
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