Things to Consider Before Attempting to Correct the King James Bible

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Dino246 said:
Well then, I guess your Bible is a false witness.

2 Chronicles 22:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

2 Kings 8:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

Time to get one that tells the truth.
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The simple solution to this apparent contradiction is that Ahaziah was physically 22 years old when he began to reign, but since God has appointed Jehu to cut off the house of Ahab, as a son of Ahab through marriage, he was 42 years old.

Shall I continue with the lengthy solution? I have dealt with this apparent contradiction in other threads. To explain it further, I can copy and past if you'd like? If I thought you'd read and study it...
 
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1 Samuel 15:13 And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the Lord: I have performed the commandment of the Lord.

There it is; a lie straight from the text of the KJV.
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I need more. Where's the lie?
 
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1 Samuel 15:13 And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the Lord: I have performed the commandment of the Lord.

There it is; a lie straight from the text of the KJV.
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In Saul's mind (or trying to beguile Samuel) he claims to have performed the commandment of the Lord. Samuel proceeds to call him out. See verse 19.

9 Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the Lord, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the Lord?
 
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Dino246 said:
1 Samuel 15:13 And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the Lord: I have performed the commandment of the Lord.

There it is; a lie straight from the text of the KJV.
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Ah, i get it. Saul telling the lie...good one...
 
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The simple solution to this apparent contradiction is that Ahaziah was physically 22 years old when he began to reign, but since God has appointed Jehu to cut off the house of Ahab, as a son of Ahab through marriage, he was 42 years old.

Shall I continue with the lengthy solution? I have dealt with this apparent contradiction in other threads. To explain it further, I can copy and past if you'd like? If I thought you'd read and study it...
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I have read your "lengthy solution" and found it to be absolute hogwash... grasping at straws. It's an error, plain and simple... what you would call a lie, if you had integrity. You are quick to call the Goliath story a lie in other translations, but you put great effort into defending error in the KJV. Sadly, it shows your complete bias and inability to process these matters with sound reason and just consideration.
 
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I have read your "lengthy solution" and found it to be absolute hogwash... grasping at straws. It's an error, plain and simple... what you would call a lie, if you had integrity. You are quick to call the Goliath story a lie in other translations, but you put great effort into defending error in the KJV. Sadly, it shows your complete bias and inability to process these matters with sound reason and just consideration.
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I have refuted the so called apparent contradiction. If you cannot see it, that's on you. And if I remember correctly, you are the only one who refused to see it (even in the kjv skeptic crowd).
 
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God didn't write the originals, men did. Oh yea, God did write the "original" ten commandments with His own finger. What happened to them? Moses destroyed them. What did God do? Have Moses write a copy of the "originals" and that copy is inspired. Let's not place more value upon the "originals" than God does.
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There are books I have about codes in the Bible. Some rabbis looking at the books of the Torah found I the first few verses there were codes embedded there. Codes start with a letter and then an interval is used to get other letters of the code. Codes are only in the original language. They go forward or backwards. When hearing about about the early findings done by hand the math students in Israel's version of MIT created a software program to find them automatically. They found many more and published what they found along with the source code for the software. I have books filled with what was discovered. Several men's birth and death dates in the 20th century. Messianic sections of the Old Testament have the name of Jesus with the words "it is he" along with the list of desciples with Judas not named and the one replacing him added. This proves that God caused the authors to write exactly the correct sequence of words.

The awesome power of God on display.
 
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John146 said:
God didn't write the originals, men did. Oh yea, God did write the "original" ten commandments with His own finger. What happened to them? Moses destroyed them. What did God do? Have Moses write a copy of the "originals" and that copy is inspired. Let's not place more value upon the "originals" than God does.
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Men are inspired to give their private interpretation of what they think the Holy Spirit is teaching them. Every man has a private interpretation like fingerprints that differ from ne another . It is God who does make each lump of clay he is forming Christ in different.

What happened is after God with his own hand hewn out the two stone tablets. Then with his own finger (finger and hand represent the unseen will of God). therefore setting up the standard by which men could belive Him not seen

And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.Exoudus 32;16

Moses brought them down to the people and they heard the word of God as a law of faith . But most did not mix faith in what they did heard .So their hearts remained hard as they remained under the oral traditions of men. Making the written word to no effect.

Moses who represents the law of God destroyed the first tablets as a sign of rebellion against Him.

Then moved by the hand (will )of God. He instructed Moses this time to hew out the tablets and again with His finger wrote the ten commandments.

Exodus 34 King James Version (KJV) 34 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV)We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of "any private interpretation". For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

No prophecy of the scripture is of "any private interpretation". All of the paraphrase's are of private interpretations . The King James is one that has been used to bring the peace of God that does surpass our human understanding. There are many paraphrases that could be considered good .
 
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I have refuted the so called apparent contradiction. If you cannot see it, that's on you. And if I remember correctly, you are the only one who refused to see it (even in the kjv skeptic crowd).
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You fail to understand you are beating a dead horse. Your theories have been rejected by most on this site. Your ignorance about several issues makes your assertions invalid!
 
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There are books I have about codes in the Bible. Some rabbis looking at the books of the Torah found I the first few verses there were codes embedded there. Codes start with a letter and then an interval is used to get other letters of the code. Codes are only in the original language. They go forward or backwards. When hearing about about the early findings done by hand the math students in Israel's version of MIT created a software program to find them automatically. They found many more and published what they found along with the source code for the software. I have books filled with what was discovered. Several men's birth and death dates in the 20th century. Messianic sections of the Old Testament have the name of Jesus with the words "it is he" along with the list of desciples with Judas not named and the one replacing him added. This proves that God caused the authors to write exactly the correct sequence of words.

The awesome power of God on display.
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I head they counted letters to make sure no one was adding or subtracting .

I would suggest its not without codes that Christ spoke not but not without parables. Are you calling parables codes?
 
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As more and more truth is shown to john146 he scurries off into more darkness and lies to defend the same.
 
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I head they counted letters to make sure no one was adding or subtracting .

I would suggest its not without codes that Christ spoke not but not without parables. Are you calling parables codes?
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Absolutely not. Where in the parables is there the names of dead 20th century men with birth and death dates. The books I have are:
The Bible Code
263 pages
Bible Code II the Countdown
291 pages
Both by Michael Drosnin

Bible Prophecy Proved Through The Mysterious Bible Codes
192 pages
By Grant R. Jeffrey
 
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One item was the attempted assassination of prime Minister Netanyahu with his name and the date of the attempt and the name of the person trying to do it. Facts born out when the police arrested the assassin doing the attempt. The police were were notified about this code so were prepared to protect the Prime Minister.

Only God could have put this information in the Bible.
 
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Another code predicted Netanyahu would be elected Prime Minister.
 
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Endoscopy said:
Absolutely not. Where in the parables is there the names of dead 20th century men with birth and death dates. The books I have are:
The Bible Code
263 pages
Bible Code II the Countdown
291 pages
Both by Michael Drosnin

Bible Prophecy Proved Through The Mysterious Bible Codes
192 pages
By Grant R. Jeffrey
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That as codes is simply is a oral tradition of men .

God's word is not concerned with names of dead 20th century men with birth and death dates. What would private interpretations have to do with the good news?

The last birth date that has any bearing on the gospel is the genealogy of the Son on man. Anything after that again has nothing to do with the gospel . The genealogy of Christ has been fulfilled. The time of reformation has come. The veil is rent.
 
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John146 said:
I have refuted the so called apparent contradiction. If you cannot see it, that's on you. And if I remember correctly, you are the only one who refused to see it (even in the kjv skeptic crowd).
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Your refutation is convoluted hogwash. You ignore the plain text which clearly says two contradictory things. There is no possible sound refutation.

2 Chronicles 22:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

2 Kings 8:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.

2 Chronicles clearly states that Ahaziah was 42 year old when he began to reign.
2 Kings clearly states that Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to reign.

Neither says "it was 'X' years since event 'Y'. If either did, your explanation would be valid.

They don't.

It isn't.

Case closed.
 
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garee said:
No prophecy of the scripture is of "any private interpretation". All of the paraphrase's are of private interpretations . The King James is one that has been used to bring the peace of God that does surpass our human understanding. There are many paraphrases that could be considered good .
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Every translation, including the KJV, involves a heavy dose of interpretation. Most translations are useful to God in the way you describe.
 
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Angles today are the French. The Saxons are from Germany. Place names of today not back then.
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still don't get the term 'angles'...looked it up and only got geometry terms :LOL:

Saxons no prob

dunno
 
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Endoscopy said:
Absolutely not. Where in the parables is there the names of dead 20th century men with birth and death dates. The books I have are:
The Bible Code
263 pages
Bible Code II the Countdown
291 pages
Both by Michael Drosnin

Bible Prophecy Proved Through The Mysterious Bible Codes
192 pages
By Grant R. Jeffrey
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Another on the same subject is His Name is Jesus by Yacov Rambsel.
 
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