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gb9

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Studyman, you have not shown anybody "God's Word", that is plain arrogance overflowing. You have fashioned a false teaching from your own misrepresentation of scripture to your own shame. As per usual you misinterpret scripture over and over and you have missed the "Messiah/Savior", while He is right in front of your eyes.

The emotion I feel is "pity" not anger

Jeremiah2:13
"My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water."
and this is how propaganda works- you have to demonize any who dare to criticize them. they have to. there has to be an enemy to be mocked and shamed to make themselves look good.

notice, he and others are always in attack mode. they cannot enter into a straight fact- based conversation. they only care about the facts that seem to back up their beliefs. they scorn and mock all others.

you see this here in America every day on the media. whatever agenda they are pushing, they attack and ridicule any who say anything different.

propaganda 101.
 
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and this is what religion does- it binds a person into thinking that can be upright and gain right standing in God's eyes if they do enough good deeds, keep enough commands, keep one's self from sin.

but, then pride kicks in and the person begins to put there trust in a system that will lead them to hell, because the Lord Jesus Christ says " come to ME all you who are weary....

they won't come. because coming to Him means abandoning their system and trusting a Savior.

they cling to their system, and reject the Savior, just as the Pharisees did...……..
Totally agree....those that enter into HIS REST have ceased from their own labor is clear enough...

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us!

In the grace you are, having been saved OUT OF FAITH<---AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast.

That not of yourselves is directed at the faith that SAVES....who initiates the work of faith, who finishes the work of faith, who completes the work of faith IN US.....JESUS...it is HIS WORK AND WE CEASE FROM OUR LABOR!!!!!!!
 
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Pisteuo

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Amen Rose.....See....Rose gets it.....the simplicity found in Christ...believe = saved NOW and forever...!
No such thing aas " believing " according to the Greek , Gods Word , Strongs , or Vines . But hey , you know better .
Sin is accually two distinct things . One we all fall short of the glory of God . And two , we want everyone to go our own way . Kind of crowded on your way dude man .
 
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No such thing aas " believing " according to the Greek , Gods Word , Strongs , or Vines . But hey , you know better .
Sin is accually two distinct things . One we all fall short of the glory of God . And two , we want everyone to go our own way . Kind of crowded on your way dude man .
No need to respond to me with your idiocy.......and to say no such thing as believing is moronic!
 
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Pisteuo

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Obviously you just spew from the hip.....maybe instead of peddling this made up word and false theology that you hawk like a tupperware salesman you should look up and study a few Greek verb tenses...such as Perfect Tense, Aorist tense and then open your eyes to the truth before you are found to be lacking biblical faith in the balances before the throne...
Why would you care about the tenses of Greek words when you ignore and reject their definitions ?

Cart before the horse !
 
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No such thing aas " believing " according to the Greek , Gods Word , Strongs , or Vines . But hey , you know better .
Sin is accually two distinct things . One we all fall short of the glory of God . And two , we want everyone to go our own way . Kind of crowded on your way dude man .
And another thing....embellishing the word as you do....gonna make it hot for you in the end....!

There is but one definition of sin....I suggest you open your eyes!
 
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Why would you care about the tenses of Greek words when you ignore and reject their definitions ?

Cart before the horse !
Like I said....no need to address me with your idiocy.....so.....blo-viate some place else until you are ready to be honest and truthful......
 

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Quote: But it is what it is:

I think I've already slandered Him when I belonged to a religion that created images of Him, in the likeness of some playgirl centerfold, naked, bleeding, placed the Christ's name on this image and plastered it in every church on the planet when the Christ, in His Very First Commandment forbids His People to partake in such wickedness. At the time my conscience was seared with a hot iron and it didn't even bother me. But now, after escaping the religious franchises of the land, I can't believe I hated Him so much. I was deceived into believing my hate was Love. That Holy was unholy, that unclean was clean.

I think I already slandered Him when I choose a religion which rejected Him and mocked His Salvation plan which began with Passover, choosing instead to pick a Pagan worship day and place His Name on it, and call it His birthday, thus making it the greatest "Christian" High Day on the entire planet while relegating the Christ's Feasts to be flushed down their religious toilet. I was deceived into believing Christ's Feasts were not Holy, but men's religious doctrines and traditions were Holy. As the Christ inspired it to be written:

Is. 5:
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

Today I slander Him when I let the whited walls get under my skin. When I forget that offences "Must happen". When I forget it is Him who opens the eyes of men, not me. I slander Him when I forget I too hated Him, and taught against Him, and lied about Him before He opened my eyes, which is His grace and mercy that I don't deserve.

But it is what it is:

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. (Lawlessness)

And so I strive to enter the gate to the Path the Christ walked as He instructed. Paul's word's explain my plight perfectly.

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Have Mercy on me, my Lord.

10 With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
11 Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
12 Blessed art thou, O LORD: teach me thy statutes.

18 Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.
19 I am a stranger in the earth: hide not thy commandments from me.
Here is your "true story" Studyman; you were spiritually injured when you were caught up in a "False Religion" that damaged your trust in people.

And so without even realizing what you are doing you began a systematic search of scripture to create a counterfeit gospel that would agree with all of your counterfeit doctrines beginning with "The Christ."

What a "Pity" Studyman, you had the truth in front of you but because of the "spiritual abuse" that you suffered you got back at your abusers by creating your own and different counterfeit christ, "The Christ."

For you Studyman all of us here on this forum represent all of the "Spiritual abuse" that you suffered and that is why you constantly refer to all of our beliefs' as the false religious long haired Jesus people.

I pray God will heal your spiritual abuse and I know He can do this. Quote: "It is what it is", is not the answer.

God bless!
 
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Pisteuo

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No need to respond to me with your idiocy.......and to say no such thing as believing is moronic!
Only in the English . The Greek doesn't even have word in its language for the English word" believe " .

Only faithing towards God , pisteuo , or faithing away from God , apisteuo .

If your just, "believing " your faithing away from God , apisteuo .
 
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Only in the English . The Greek doesn't even have word in its language for the English word" believe " .

Only faithing towards God , pisteuo , or faithing away from God , apisteuo .

If your just, "believing " your faithing away from God , apisteuo .
Faithing is not a word, nor is the idiotic application of your said made up word.....
 
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Pisteuo

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Like I said....no need to address me with your idiocy.....so.....blo-viate some place else until you are ready to be honest and truthful......
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what am I not being honest about . I've only presented you with the Greek word for Faithing , pisteuo , and the definitions from the Strongs and Vines . You respond with ignorant , moronic , false teaching , ECT . What Ami not being honest about ? Lol
 
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J70x7

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By whom was the first list of the books of the Bible drawn up?
Pope Damasus, at the Roman Council of 382 A.D.


Here is one of these Bible verses.

1 Corinthians 10:16

The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?
 
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Pisteuo

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By whom was the first list of the books of the Bible drawn up?
Pope Damasus, at the Roman Council of 382 A.D.


Here is one of these Bible verses.

1 Corinthians 10:16
The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?
Did you miss my reply last night?

Teshans diateserine , a collection of the four gospels written in 60 AD . In Syriac .
 
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Pisteuo

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Faithing is not a word, nor is the idiotic application of your said made up word.....
Faithing is a word in the Greek , the English doesn't have a verb form of Faith like the Greek . Yup , that's what's called a stumbling block . You've already fell into it and have made your bed there , yours and your households .

So your very welcome for showing you the way out . Unless your to comfortable there . If so , that's on you !
 
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J70x7

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Did you miss my reply last night?

Teshans diateserine , a collection of the four gospels written in 60 AD . In Syriac .
That is not a list of the books of the Bible.
 
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J70x7

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Yes it's the first known collection of biblical manuscripts ...
I said "By whom was the first list of the books of the Bible drawn up?" I DID NOT SAY MANUSCRIPTS.
 
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what am I not being honest about . I've only presented you with the Greek word for Faithing , pisteuo , and the definitions from the Strongs and Vines . You respond with ignorant , moronic , false teaching , ECT . What Ami not being honest about ? Lol
You have presented nothing but your made up word and application...get over yourself!
 

posthuman

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Instead of taking one verse in the entire Bible (Matt. 17: 24-27) and trying to use it to somehow alter or amend the Bible
instead of actually reading this passage ((it's more than one verse, because, math, btw))
instead of actually thinking about it
instead of actually taking into account


you post paragraph after paragraph of slander.

are these your 'good works' ?

if you believe you are the only one here who actually believes the actual gospel, why don't you show it to me in these 4 verses?
i haven't said anything at all about what i believe the interpretation is. i've not introduced any bias.
is there something about what Christ says and does here that you are afraid to talk about?