Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

I could care less about Constantine or the council of nicea or lacodicea , the outlawing of Sabbath keeping was wrong, and should not have been done.

as my pastor says " Constantine was a lot more roman and empire than he was holy '

equally as wrong as saying that one has to keep the Sabbath to be saved
there are several references to Christ followers meeting on the first day of the week.

and when John said he was ' in the sprit on the Lord's day," he did NOT say Sabbath, a different greek word was used , not sabbaton,
and, God was very specific about when the Sabbath was to be kept.

so, unless you are 100% sure you are using the scared Hebrew calendar , you are not " keeping the Sabbath, '.

it strikes me as funny that you judeaizers ignore the fact that you were born on a day that is named after a pagan god, in a year of a Gregorian calendar, want to lecture us about going to church on the day of the sun, as if we are worshiping the sun god while we are praising Jesus.

we come to mt. Zion of the living God, you try to drag us back to Sinai, to the ministry of death, written on stone,

Amen brother.......If not Cainologists it is Ellen White'rs and they all peddle that which saves no one......My bible is clear....Believe on and acknowledge Christ = saved eternally by an irrevocable gift, kept by his power and saved to the uttermost......those who peddle some law/commandment keeping salvation drivel will be found in the "many will say to me in that day" grouping.....tragically I might add!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Did you ever try to tell a simulator it was wrong and you were right , when you crashed ?

Kind of the same thing .

Your analogy is lacking creedance....why? Because you don't know what you are talking about.....try faith....it supersedes the drivel you peddle!

 

[dcontroversal]

nope, neither should we promote such a thing

Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that heareth my word, and believeth on Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. ​

(John 5:24) ​

Bone man swings, crack, knocks it "outta da park".........one must open their mind to the truth before they can be healed......in his case....not looking so good!

 

[dcontroversal]

Good morning my CC migos......538 AM Sunday Morning from Castlereagh Australia just west of Sydney about an hour.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Morning view of Blue mountains just west of Sydney

 

[Studyman]

="posthuman, post: 3786154, member: 170505"]Jesus says many times, verily verily, whoever believes has everlasting life. everlasting is everlasting.
it's intellectually dishonest to say you believe Him and deny what He says.

Do you believe this scripture and your understanding of it, destroys other Word's of the Same Christ?

Matt. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Rev. 22:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

"And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

Do you also believe in this Christ, or have you chosen the verse you believe and "omitted" the rest?

Yes, a man who calls Him Lord, Lord, and denies what He Says is not saved, even if they have been convinced by "other voices" they have. Matt. 7:23 explains this.

as for the rest, your answer is found in here:

When they came to Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax went up to Peter and said, “Does your teacher not pay the tax?” He said, “Yes.” And when he came into the house, Jesus spoke to him first, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do kings of the earth take toll or tax? From their sons or from others?” And when he said, “From others,” Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free. However, not to give offense to them, go to the sea and cast a hook and take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth you will find a shekel. Take that and give it to them for me and for yourself.” ​

(Matthew 17:24-27)​

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How is this an answer to any question I have asked? Do you believe your understanding of this one scriptures makes Void the rest of the Bible?​

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[dcontroversal]

Do you believe this scripture and your understanding of it, destroys other Word's of the Same Christ?

Matt. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Rev. 22:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

"And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

Do you also believe in this Christ, or have you chosen the verse you believe and "omitted" the rest?

Yes, a man who calls Him Lord, Lord, and denies what He Says is not saved, even if they have been convinced by "other voices" they have. Matt. 7:23 explains this.

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How is this an answer to any question I have asked? Do you believe your understanding of this one scriptures makes Void the rest of the Bible?​

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Do you believe this scripture and your understanding of it, destroys other Word's of the Same Christ?

Matt. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Rev. 22:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

"And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

Do you also believe in this Christ, or have you chosen the verse you believe and "omitted" the rest?

Yes, a man who calls Him Lord, Lord, and denies what He Says is not saved, even if they have been convinced by "other voices" they have. Matt. 7:23 explains this.

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How is this an answer to any question I have asked? Do you believe your understanding of this one scriptures makes Void the rest of the Bible?​

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Do we believe you understand and or use context to come to the truth about any given verse of scripture? No....the obvious reeks like a Kabob shop on High Street in Penrith!

 

[gb9]

Amen brother.......If not Cainologists it is Ellen White'rs and they all peddle that which saves no one......My bible is clear....Believe on and acknowledge Christ = saved eternally by an irrevocable gift, kept by his power and saved to the uttermost......those who peddle some law/commandment keeping salvation drivel will be found in the "many will say to me in that day" grouping.....tragically I might add!!

they act like Constantine and the catholic church stared sunday worship and belief in the Trinity.

the Bible that we all use, no matter what translation, the books of the N.T. were put together by this same bunch.

the O.T. ( the jewish writings as they were known back then ) was not added to the N.T. until many years later.

but, they do not want to talk about that...……….

 

[dcontroversal]

i went back and checked to see how old this strawman is.



post #9.

77,000 posts later and we've still got people accusing believers of loving wickedness and iniquity solely on account of the gospel of salvation through God's grace being preached.

no one ever said 'we're throwing out works'
no one ever said 'we don't believe in doing good'
these are presumptuous accusations.



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i'd like to remind us of Romans 14:1

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations​

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this ((kjv)) is a really unwieldy translation imo.
niv & esv miss the point too, i think

without quarreling over disputable matters ​

but not to quarrel over opinions​

here it is in ylt, which i see as closer to the pure truth of it

him who is weak in the faith receive ye -- not to determinations of reasonings​

when i see various english translations having pretty significant differences, i've come to realize that often it's one of two things underlying it; it may be that there is manuscript variation, or it may be that it is a particularly difficult set of words in the original language. that can be from lack of clear modern understanding of what the meaning of the words really are, from difficulty of expressing them in our language, or from the words themselves being understood well enough, but their pairing and arrangement being enigmatic.

caveat: i don't know greek i'm just sharing what i've found.
but here in Romans 14:1 the strange phrase 'doubtful disputations' is two words

διακρίσεις διαλογισμῶν
diakriseis dialogismōn

diakriseis is used 3 times in the NT. here, 1 Cor. 12:10, and Heb. 5:14
in 1 Corinthians it is the gift of the Spirit translated as 'discernment'
in Hebrews it is also 'discernment' or 'distinguishing' -- ((quoting niv)):

but solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil​

so this is what diakriseis means, to distinguish or discern.

dialogismon is used 14 times in the NT. here's a link to a list of occurrences: this is a link
it's most often translated as 'reasonings' or 'thoughts' or 'motives' -- it's the word in Romans 1:21, "..they became in their imaginations.." and in 1 Corinthians 3:20, "the Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain"
in a couple places, Philippians 2:14 & 1 Timothy 2:8, it's been translated 'disputations' or 'grumbling' or 'dissension' -- so one can see where the kjv, 'doubtful disputations' gets the 'disputations' from -- though 'doubtful' for diakriseis sure seems way off.
still, thinking about these 2 passages, one can see how the sense of the word still has to do with thoughts & reasoning, a person's mental logic or argument. the 'dissension' or 'grumbling' is the thoughts a person has being contrary to other thoughts.

so hopefully if you are following along with my own 'dialogismon' ((we get 'dialogue' from this word)) you see why i said i think the YLT of Romans 14:1 expresses the sense more clearly than the mainstream english versions:

him who is weak in the faith receive ye -- not to determinations of reasonings​

and here is the point ((yay a point!))
there's a lot of animus among us.
a lot of it, in my observation, is because we are not keeping this -- each of us sees certain others, by their dialogue, as weaker in faith on some point or another. i think in truth we are; because we are for each other, each given different measures of faith which complement each other, that we be as one body with many parts growing together into the whole.
we're supposed to accept one another in this, but not to 'discerning' each other's motives & reasoning as evil -- unless some of us really are here with purely wicked intention to knowingly sow false doctrine, what we're saying we see in scripture, each 'as through a glass darkly,' we are all here in this webforum with the intent to communicate it to each other, that intent being in our hearts as for the Lord. the one who eats, does so towards Him. the one who does not, does so towards Him.
((at least we ought to be))
looking further into Paul's own dialogue in Romans 14 ((which i'll skip here for brevity's sake, this post already being really long..)) i hope we'll see a principle of how we ought to act in love toward each other laid out, that has application far broader than questions about some peeve or annoyance about food or holidays. and i hope we'll every day grow more conformed to this image of perfect love





thank's for reading my drivel ♥

1 of about 3 to 5 fallacious arguments they peddle because they for sure do not have the truth on their side, so....they must falsly accuse of that which we do not say, nor imply!

 

[dcontroversal]

Some people just make it too easy.

Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

People wake up. Are you going to listen to Paul. Who quoted Moses, Who both wrote as inspired By God.

Or a jewish roots sympathiser or modern day pharisee who waters down the law of God to puff himself up?

Amen bro....many will say in that day......

a. They believe they know Jesus-->>Lawd Lawd, have we not done.....

b, c, d in your name.....we have a RIGHT to enter because we have done b, c, and d......

emphasis upon the LAW in LAWD......
.!!!!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

they act like Constantine and the catholic church stared sunday worship and belief in the Trinity.

the Bible that we all use, no matter what translation, the books of the N.T. were put together by this same bunch.

the O.T. ( the jewish writings as they were known back then ) was not added to the N.T. until many years later.

but, they do not want to talk about that...……….

Oh, I know....they disregard two glaring facts....

a. They met the 1st day of the week
b. They also met daily

 

[dcontroversal]

me too bro, me too

Amen.........believers will look down, beat on their chest and say....be merciful unto me a sinner.........the Pharisees and Cainologists on the other hand.....not so much!

 

[posthuman]

How is this an answer to any question I have asked? Do you believe your understanding of this one scriptures makes Void the rest of the Bible?

you're going to have to dig, not with the idea that i'm trying to 'make void the rest of the Bible' is what you're digging for.

with the idea that all of the Bible is unified in its testimony of the work and person of Jesus Christ.
all of that is in this event i am pointing you at - this testifies of the work and person of the Messiah, God revealed to us. of salvation in Him.
look for Jesus, not for ammunition, dude. this does answer you

one place to start is ask why He calls him Simon here?

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes , the Greek doesn't allow work or effort to be separated from Faith . It's because the English language has no word , no verb form of Faith like the Greek does , that because the translators chose believe , believer , and believing , the church world is decieved into thinking " believing " is all faithing is and any effort included is a works based Salvation .

It takes work and effort to continually surrender our lives to Him and living a life inspired by such surrender .

False alert do not buy the drivel in the above post

Galatians makes it crystal clear that faith and works are not tied together in some alphabet soup theology......Faith is a SEPARATE ENTITY .........as a matter of fact, Paul who was inspired said One or the other.....The orginator of this post.....has conflated ideas, truths and biblical doctrine into some vanilla cafe blend watered down pseudo salvation

 

[VCO]

WE CELEBRATE FIRST FRUITS, the RESURRECTION OF THE CHRIST, which is always celebrated on the Morrow after Sabbath.

SABBATH has always been sundown on what we call Friday, but to the JEW that is the beginning of a new day; to
sundown late Saturday afternoon. ALWAYS HAS BEEN, and ALWAYS WILL BE, so Sunday is NOT the Christian Sabbath,
we cerebrate First Fruits.

There is a rule that WE THE PRIESTHOOD IS CHANGED FROM ONE TRIBE TO ANOTHER, there MUST BE A CHANGE IN THE LAW TOO:

Hebrews 7:11-14 (NJB)
11 Now if perfection had been reached through the levitical priesthood—and this was the basis of the Law given to the people—why was it necessary for a different kind of priest to arise, spoken of as being of the order of Melchizedek [both KING and HIGH PRIEST] rather than of the order of Aaron?
12 Any change in the priesthood must mean a change in the Law as well.
13 So our Lord, of whom these things were said, belonged to a different tribe, the members of which have never done service at the altar;
14 everyone knows he came from Judah, a tribe which Moses did not mention at all when dealing with priests.

Romans 8:23 (HCSB)
23 And not only that, but we ourselves who have the Spirit as the first-fruits—we also groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for adoption, the redemption of our bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (NASB)
20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
21 For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,

Leviticus 23:10-11 (ASV)
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are come into the land which I give unto you,
and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring the sheaf of the first-fruits of your harvest unto the priest:
11 and he shall wave the sheaf before Jehovah, to be accepted for you:
on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

CORRECTION: in the sentence above the Hebrews 7:11-14 (NJB) quote the sixth word should be WHEN instead of WE.
Here is how it should read:

There is a rule that WHEN THE PRIESTHOOD IS CHANGED FROM ONE TRIBE TO ANOTHER, there MUST BE A CHANGE IN THE LAW TOO:

 

[Studyman]

="posthuman, post: 3786208, member: 170505"]i went back and checked to see how old this strawman is.



post #9.

77,000 posts later and we've still got people accusing believers of loving wickedness and iniquity solely on account of the gospel of salvation through God's grace being preached.

no one ever said 'we're throwing out works'
no one ever said 'we don't believe in doing good'
these are presumptuous accusations.

That's just not true. I am pointing out that your preaching that Jesus came to "Remove", your words, God's Commandments which you teach are "Against" us, your words, is not true, but a falsehood. Also that your preaching that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were trying to "Earn" Salvation by obeying God. These are doctrines about God's Word that are not true. You preach them as though they are. I am trying to show you that God is not the Father of lies, and that this teaching doesn't come from above, but from below.

For me to see you pushing a religion in which these falsehoods are considered truth, and not open up God's Word and let His Word show you the Truth, would be like seeing you naked and destitute and telling you to have a nice day. I can't do it.

You claim I am the bad guy for exposing the Elephant in the room, I expect this because Jesus said it would happen.

Should I not point these things out to the brethren?



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i'd like to remind us of Romans 14:1

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations​

​

so hopefully if you are following along with my own 'dialogismon' ((we get 'dialogue' from this word)) you see why i said i think the YLT of Romans 14:1 expresses the sense more clearly than the mainstream english versions:

him who is weak in the faith receive ye -- not to determinations of reasonings​

and here is the point ((yay a point!))
there's a lot of animus among us.
a lot of it, in my observation, is because we are not keeping this -- each of us sees certain others, by their dialogue, as weaker in faith on some point or another. i think in truth we are; because we are for each other, each given different measures of faith which complement each other, that we be as one body with many parts growing together into the whole.
we're supposed to accept one another in this, but not to 'discerning' each other's motives & reasoning as evil -- unless some of us really are here with purely wicked intention to knowingly sow false doctrine, what we're saying we see in scripture, each 'as through a glass darkly,' we are all here in this webforum with the intent to communicate it to each other, that intent being in our hearts as for the Lord. the one who eats, does so towards Him. the one who does not, does so towards Him.
((at least we ought to be))
looking further into Paul's own dialogue in Romans 14 ((which i'll skip here for brevity's sake, this post already being really long..)) i hope we'll see a principle of how we ought to act in love toward each other laid out, that has application far broader than questions about some peeve or annoyance about food or holidays. and i hope we'll every day grow more conformed to this image of perfect love

Paul also said;

Rom. 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

At some point a man must decide who He believes in? The Word of God which became Flesh, or religious man. God with show him what day is Holy and what day is not if he seeks Him. There is only one true answer to this question and it is given in His Commandments. All that is left is for a man to be "fully Convinced" to "Believe" in Him.

Matt. 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Yes, there are divisions.

Luke 12:
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

This is because there are "many" who call Him Lord, Lord, but do not what He says. Should I "deny" the Word's of the Christ just to get along? I am sure there is a spirit in this world who would advocate that very thing. God will move the weak in faith to be strong in the Faith. And then this will be the teaching.

2 Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. (Lawlessness)

Those in Matt. 7 were surely "many" that named the Name of Christ, it's just that they didn't depart from lawlessness. Does it matter? Many religious men say no. But I have been "Fully Convinced" in my own mind that the Christ's Words, they are life. Not the religious doctrines and traditions of the land.

 

[BillG]

False alert do not buy the drivel in the above post

Galatians makes it crystal clear that faith and works are not tied together in some alphabet soup theology......Faith is a SEPARATE ENTITY .........as a matter of fact, Paul who was inspired said One or the other.....The orginator of this post.....has conflated ideas, truths and biblical doctrine into some vanilla cafe blend watered down pseudo salvation

Acts 16:25-34

The Philippian Jailer Saved
25 But at midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were loosed. 27 And the keeper of the prison, awaking from sleep and seeing the prison doors open, supposing the prisoners had fled, drew his sword and was about to kill himself. 28 But Paul called with a loud voice, saying, “Do yourself no harm, for we are all here.”
29 Then he called for a light, ran in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34 Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them; and he rejoiced, having believed in God with all his household.

 

[Argueless]

Amen brother.......If not Cainologists it is Ellen White'rs and they all peddle that which saves no one......My bible is clear....Believe on and acknowledge Christ = saved eternally by an irrevocable gift, kept by his power and saved to the uttermost......those who peddle some law/commandment keeping salvation drivel will be found in the "many will say to me in that day" grouping.....tragically I might add!!

The FREE GIFT of God is His only begotten Son Jesus Christ.
(Romans 6:23, revelations 22:17)

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have ETERNAL LIFE. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.” John 3:16-21


...Now THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE: THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3


Then John said;


...WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a LIAR, and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know WE ARE IN HIM: Whoever CLAIMS to live in him MUST WALK as Jesus did.


WE CAN BE IN JESUS IF WE OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS. HE IS THE LIFE THAT WE MUST ENTER IN. (john 14:6)... ETERNAL LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS. (Romans 6:23)


...If you want TO ENTER LIFE, obey the commandments.” matthew 19:17


...Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE FROM WHAT HE SUFFERED hebrews 5:8


...To this you were called, because Christ SUFFERED for you, LEAVING YOU AN EXAMPLE, that YOU SHOULD FOLLOW IN HIS STEPS. 1 Peter 2:21


...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE IN HIM, but also TO SUFFER FOR HIM, Philippians 1:29


Those who truly believes in the Son of God loves the light and Jesus is the LIGHT of the world.

Whoever loves Jesus stays in the light and OBEYS His commands. Whoever does not OBEY His commands hates the LIGHT. Whoever hates the LIGHT, hates God. Whoever hates God are enemies of God.


...THEY STUMBLE BECAUSE THEY DISOBEY THE MESSAGE—which is also what they were destined for. 1 Peter 2:8


...As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are IRREVOCABLE. Romans 11:28-29


Paul was talking here about GOD'S calling and gifts to Israel.

...the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. Romans 9:4-5

...This is IRREVOCABLE.


But what did he say to the Gentiles?


...I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, DO NOT BOAST OVER THOSE BRANCHES. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. DO NOT BE ARROGANT, BUT BE AFRAID. For if God did not spare the natural branches, HE WILL NOT SPARE YOU EITHER. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, PROVIDED that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! Romans 11:13-24

 

[posthuman]

"Remove", your words,

as i have consistently told you, not one jot or tittle of the law has to be removed in order for it not to apply to a dead man.
Romans 7:1 + Colossians 3:3 = salvation in Christ. see Romans 6. to see why it must be that way see Romans 1-5.
that's been 'my dialogismon' -- which aren't my words at all.

let me go through all your flocks today and remove from them every speckled or spotted sheep, ​

every dark-colored lamb and every spotted or speckled goat. they will be my wages. ​

(Genesis 30:32)​

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so the guardian-redeemer said to Boaz, ​

"buy it yourself" ​

and he removed his sandal.​

(Ruth 4:8) ​

 

[posthuman]

At some point a man must decide who He believes in? The Word of God which became Flesh, or religious man.

uh, yeah.
pretty sure that's exactly what many people of the people in this thread disagree who what you, a religious man, have been telling them, are thinking.

did you notice that i opened my remarks in the post you quoted by pointing out the same false presumption in Romans 3:8 is pervasively present in this thread?



nevermind. work on finding the gospel in Matthew 17:24-27
why that passage belongs in this thread