Is Universalsim in Opposition to the Bible?

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Thank you.
Next question.

If Cornelius had met an untimely end and never heard the gospel, how do you think God would judge him?
There was clearly a relationship with God there.

It does not matter what alternate scenario you come up with in regard to what happened in regard to Cornelius.. He still had to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ to be saved..

We read the account of Cornelius take close note of the Part i will Bold..

Acts 10
10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian [a]Regiment, 2 a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave [b]alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always. 3 About [c]the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God coming in and saying to him, “Cornelius!”4 And when he observed him, he was afraid, and said, “What is it, lord?”So he said to him, “Your prayers and your alms have come up for a memorial before God. 5 Now send men to Joppa, and send for Simon whose surname is Peter. 6 He is lodging with Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea. He will tell you what you must do.

So there was something Cornelius Had to do to be saved.. What did Peter bring to Cornelius and his household ??? The Gospel of the LORD Jesus Christ which Cornelius had to believe in and Trust to be saved..

 

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David speaks of his salvation in the present tense and states clearly that he would go to and see his son again....Paul said he was alive without the law once and sin revived and he died....when he writes this he was still very much ALIVE physically....and like I said....other than CHILDREN POSSIBLY.......the context of this thread is ALL MEN......and many are putting forth this fallacy that ONE can die LOST and then GET a SECOND CHANCE while in hell......or after one DIES rejecting Christ........so.....twist away man.....

No, I'm not making any provision for those who reject Christ.
Nor do I make provision for those who embrace Universalism.
The only guaranteed way to eternal life is through Christ.
Everyone else will stand in judgment. However, the final decision is up to God.
That is all I am saying. You can't reject Christ and hope to bargain another way with God.

 

[preacher4truth]

You misspelled tiger. lol

Not quite.

 

[preacher4truth]

Romans 2:14-15
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

You clearly don't understand the text in Romans. Let's take your absurd application and misusage to it's logical end: Men are then saved by works.

 

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Because the bible is clear on the subject................I am going away and where I am going you CANNOT COME <----why did he say this.....because they were going to die IN THEIR SINS..........!

DEATH and HELL will give up the DEAD IN THEM and they will be JUDGED by the OPEN BOOKS (OF THE LAW) and EVERYONE found NOT WRITTEN in the BOOK of LIFE gets CAST into the LAKE of FIRE...

There are NO second chance after one dies.....you are either BORN from above or dead and your goose is cooked!

That wasn't the question.
You said, "I don't believe that....NO ONE other than possibly children who die early... " - dc
I asked, "Why?"

 

[Hevosmies]

Romans 2:14-15
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

I know the verses, but this doesnt suggest someone is saved outside of Christ?

 

[Hevosmies]

Preacher can you start a conversation with me please?

 

[preacher4truth]

It does not matter what alternate scenario you come up with in regard to what happened in regard to Cornelius.. He still had to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ to be saved..

We read the account of Cornelius take close note of the Part i will Bold..

Acts 10
10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian [a]Regiment, 2 a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave [b]alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always. 3 About [c]the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God coming in and saying to him, “Cornelius!”4 And when he observed him, he was afraid, and said, “What is it, lord?”So he said to him, “Your prayers and your alms have come up for a memorial before God. 5 Now send men to Joppa, and send for Simon whose surname is Peter. 6 He is lodging with Simon, a tanner, whose house is by the sea. He will tell you what you must do.

So there was something Cornelius Had to do to be saved.. What did Peter bring to Cornelius and his household ??? The Gospel of the LORD Jesus Christ which Cornelius had to believe in and Trust to be saved..

It is the Holy Spirit setting Cornelius apart, sanctifying him to hear the Gospel and be saved. 1 Peter 1:1-3 &c. I believe this was the beginning of his regeneration. His faith in the Gospel showed forth that he was converted.

 

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There we go. A provision for children. Anyone else?
Do you agree that God has the final say in each individual case?

Anyone who has lived long enough to come to the knowledge of Good and Evil and thus has sinned,, Needs the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ to cover their sins.. And that Atonement is obtained by accepting the Gospel of Jesus..

Innocent little ones who have not known good or evil have not sinned and thus do not need the Atonement of Jesus to be acceptable to exist with God in eternity..

 

[dcontroversal]

No, I'm not making any provision for those who reject Christ.
Nor do I make provision for those who embrace Universalism.
The only guaranteed way to eternal life is through Christ.
Everyone else will stand in judgment. However, the final decision is up to God.
That is all I am saying. You can't reject Christ and hope to bargain another way with God.

I agree with everything except the provision made in the bolded.....those who come before GOD at the Great White Throne are lost....there is NO second chance....if they leave this world without confessing Christ their goose is cooked......

 

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You clearly don't understand the text in Romans. Let's take your absurd application and misusage to it's logical end: Men are then saved by works.

No. They are saved by a relationship with God, just as we are.
They just happen to not have the priviledges that we had in being raised in a Christian home.

Romans 2:14-15
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

 

[Hevosmies]

It is the Holy Spirit setting Cornelius apart, sanctifying him to hear the Gospel and be saved. 1 Peter 1:1-3 &c. I believe this was the beginning of his regeneration. His faith in the Gospel showed forth that he was converted.

But preacher.

You said im wrong because God elected because of belief and all that.
But look at the verse it says elect according to FOREKNOWLEDGE of God?

how about it?

 

[Hevosmies]

No. They are saved by a relationship with God, just as we are.
They just happen to not have the priviledges that we had in being raised in a Christian home.

Romans 2:14-15
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

Relationship with God, WITHOUT JESUS?
Sorry, NOT BIBLICAL not POSSIBLE

 

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Anyone who has lived long enough to come to the knowledge of Good and Evil and thus has sinned,, Needs the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ to cover their sins.. And that Atonement is obtained by accepting the Gospel of Jesus..

Innocent little ones who have not known good or evil have not sinned and thus do not need the Atonement of Jesus to be acceptable to exist with God in eternity..

We are all born into sin. We confirm it by sinning. The crying infant shows their true nature.

 

[dcontroversal]

That wasn't the question.
You said, "I don't believe that....NO ONE other than possibly children who die early... " - dc
I asked, "Why?"

WHY can cover anything and everything I had said.......

Because of the two examples I gave above.....David's one week old child whom he said he would go to and SEE and Paul's word about being alive ONCE and sin revived and HE DIED (the implication is spiritual death because he was very much alive physically when he wrote that)

 

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It is the Holy Spirit setting Cornelius apart, sanctifying him to hear the Gospel and be saved. 1 Peter 1:1-3 &c. I believe this was the beginning of his regeneration. His faith in the Gospel showed forth that he was converted.

The Holy Spirit was moving Cornelius/ prepping him/ if you like,, through his life for the time when Peter would finally give Him the Love of the truth.. But in the end Cornelius had to accept the truth, which he did with great enthusiasm.. God foreknows all who will love and embrace the Love of His truth and can help them mightily to come to it so as to accept the Gift of Grace Jesus has secured for them..

 

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Relationship with God, WITHOUT JESUS?
Sorry, NOT BIBLICAL not POSSIBLE

Did Moses have a relationship with God?
Abraham? (shall I continue?)
Did either of them know Jesus before they died?
Where did they end up?

Not biblical? Read it again.

Romans 2:14-15
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)

 

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WHY can cover anything and everything I had said.......

Because of the two examples I gave above.....David's one week old child whom he said he would go to and SEE and Paul's word about being alive ONCE and sin revived and HE DIED (the implication is spiritual death because he was very much alive physically when he wrote that)

More than one way then. Okay, thanks.

 

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I agree with everything except the provision made in the bolded.....those who come before GOD at the Great White Throne are lost....there is NO second chance....if they leave this world without confessing Christ their goose is cooked......

That's why I said some may be surprised that their name is written in the book.

Is Moses in the book? Abraham? The Prophets? David?
Did any of them receive Jesus before they died?
What about those Christ preached to when he descended to the heart of the earth? Preaching in Hades?
Saved before they died, or after?

 

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We are all born into sin. We confirm it by sinning. The crying infant shows their true nature.

If we live long enough we all sin.. But there is a time of innocence when little ones do not have the knowledge of Good and Evil.. This was revealed in the OT during the time of Exodus when the Hebrews first refused to go into the promised land and God forced them to wander the wilderness for 40 years so that all the generation that had refused to go into the promised land would die in the wilderness.. The people then said that God was being unjust to their little ones who took no part in the rebellion.. Gods response to their protest was as follows:: I have Bolded the important statement::

Deuteronomy 1:
34 "And the LORD heard the voice of your words, and was wroth, and sware, saying, {35} Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers, {36} Save Caleb the son of Jephunneh; he shall see it, and to him will I give the land that he hath trodden upon, and to his children, because he hath wholly followed the LORD. {37} Also the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, saying, Thou also shalt not go in thither. {38} But Joshua the son of Nun, which standeth before thee, he shall go in thither: encourage him: for he shall cause Israel to inherit it. {39} Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it. {40} But as for you, turn you, and take your journey into the wilderness by the way of the Red sea."

So God Himself declares that there are little ones who do not yet have the Knowledge of good and evil.. Before Adam and Eve obtained the knowledge of good and eviol from the tree of good and evil they where totally acceptable to God.. God declares His creation which included Adam and Eve Good.. They only became corrupt and in need of the atonement of Jesus After they came to the knowledge of good and evil..