The End of a Nation

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You know, I have heard quite a few people speak about this great revival before Christ comes or some speak abut MY PEOPLE doing this or that and God healing the nation.....the bible is clear......and I honestly do not believe either of the two scenarios listed above will happen because the bible predicts the exact opposite.....

a. EVIL men and seducers waxing worse and worse
b. Great APOSTASY before the BODY PRESENCE of CHRIST and our GATHERING together unto HIM

Someone show me from scripture, in context and with verbiage that supports this great awaking and spiritual revival before the end of the age.........
 

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You know, I have heard quite a few people speak about this great revival before Christ comes or some speak abut MY PEOPLE doing this or that and God healing the nation.....the bible is clear......and I honestly do not believe either of the two scenarios listed above will happen because the bible predicts the exact opposite.....

a. EVIL men and seducers waxing worse and worse
b. Great APOSTASY before the BODY PRESENCE of CHRIST and our GATHERING together unto HIM

Someone show me from scripture, in context and with verbiage that supports this great awaking and spiritual revival before the end of the age.........
Daniel 11:32 describes they who know the Lord doing great things during the reign of the beast and Antichrist (Daniel 11:31-37).
This is the great revival before Christ comes, which arrives at the conclusion of the beasts 42 months.

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
 
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Daniel 11:32 describes they who know the Lord doing great things during the reign of the beast and Antichrist (Daniel 11:31-37).
This is the great revival before Christ comes, which arrives at the conclusion of the beasts 42 months.

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Sorry...that does not equate to a great awakening and revival to the point that any nation is spared....

God will gather ALL nations against Jerusalem to battle that he may pour out his wrath on ALL nations and seek to destroy ALL nations gathered....One of the following is true

a. The U.S. has already been destroyed
b. The U.S. will be in the ALL grouping bolded above

There will be no grand revival that spares this nation from God's hand
 
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This is the most terrifying verse in the bible to me. As someone who called myself Christian for years, I repeated the prayer, was even dunked under water for good measure, yet I did not know Him. I would have thought this very thing if I would have died in the motorcycle wreak that took the use of my arm. I also do not think it was by chance either, God showed me the difference, my spirit was still dead then, I had not been born again yet, born of the Spirit, reconciled by His grace through His Son, Jesus our Christ the ONLY way and name by which man can be saved. He showed me this so I could testify of His glory more effectively and I praise His name for every bit of it.

LOL, quite often I have brothers and sister come up to me and pray that God heal my arm, and I love them so much and know what's in their hearts for me, but I have to tell them that I love you and understand what you're saying to me, but have to tell you that He already did heal me. The loss of my arm truly broke me, in the flesh I couldn't handle it, deep inside I hated it so bad I just wanted to die. I was defeated 100%, for 2 solid years, and the main thing that got me was I was powerless and without any hope of ever having the problem fixed. It just wasn't possible. That's what broke me, "I", could do NOTHING to make it better.

Like I said I already thought I'd been a Christian for years, I thought I knew what that was, and God wasn't helping me either to be honest. I have shared this many time's, but think it truly makes an important point, but when I finally hit my knees, if I had ever truly believed before, I didn't then, I did not hit my knees and say "God I need you now", no I already thought I knew what that was and it didn't help. When I hit my knees it was in utter defeat and it was crying from my soul "I can't do this anymore", "world you win, I tried, and I quit". The next day it wasn't until lunch when the atom bomb went off in my head, "I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT KILLING MYSELF ALL DAY!!!!!". You have to understand this is after 2 solid years of suicidal thoughts every 5 minutes that I couldn't control. I was broken to the core and everyone around me could see it, and were just as powerless to help me. But that was the day I was reborn spiritually and reconciled to our Creator, that was the day He healed me, the day He granted me repentance and put the old man to death. From that day till today this arm no longer "hurts me" in my heart, to be honest I don't ever really think about it. I tell those who pray for God to heal it, that He already has. My true prayer on the matter is "God if you want to heal this arm in front of a stadium of people on live TV, with before and after doctor examines to verify everything for the world, then Your will be done and praise Jesus mighty name to the miracle biz-ank. But honestly Lord, I see how it's a so much more powerful testament of your power just how it is now. I think I can honestly better share His power and glory with others how I am now, And I thank you Lord for everything you've blessed me with. Amen." Or something along those lines. 8^)
You have a powerful testimony!
 
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This is the most terrifying verse in the bible to me. As someone who called myself Christian for years, I repeated the prayer, was even dunked under water for good measure, yet I did not know Him. I would have thought this very thing if I would have died in the motorcycle wreak that took the use of my arm. I also do not think it was by chance either, God showed me the difference, my spirit was still dead then, I had not been born again yet, born of the Spirit, reconciled by His grace through His Son, Jesus our Christ the ONLY way and name by which man can be saved. He showed me this so I could testify of His glory more effectively and I praise His name for every bit of it.

LOL, quite often I have brothers and sister come up to me and pray that God heal my arm, and I love them so much and know what's in their hearts for me, but I have to tell them that I love you and understand what you're saying to me, but have to tell you that He already did heal me. The loss of my arm truly broke me, in the flesh I couldn't handle it, deep inside I hated it so bad I just wanted to die. I was defeated 100%, for 2 solid years, and the main thing that got me was I was powerless and without any hope of ever having the problem fixed. It just wasn't possible. That's what broke me, "I", could do NOTHING to make it better.

Like I said I already thought I'd been a Christian for years, I thought I knew what that was, and God wasn't helping me either to be honest. I have shared this many time's, but think it truly makes an important point, but when I finally hit my knees, if I had ever truly believed before, I didn't then, I did not hit my knees and say "God I need you now", no I already thought I knew what that was and it didn't help. When I hit my knees it was in utter defeat and it was crying from my soul "I can't do this anymore", "world you win, I tried, and I quit". The next day it wasn't until lunch when the atom bomb went off in my head, "I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT KILLING MYSELF ALL DAY!!!!!". You have to understand this is after 2 solid years of suicidal thoughts every 5 minutes that I couldn't control. I was broken to the core and everyone around me could see it, and were just as powerless to help me. But that was the day I was reborn spiritually and reconciled to our Creator, that was the day He healed me, the day He granted me repentance and put the old man to death. From that day till today this arm no longer "hurts me" in my heart, to be honest I don't ever really think about it. I tell those who pray for God to heal it, that He already has. My true prayer on the matter is "God if you want to heal this arm in front of a stadium of people on live TV, with before and after doctor examines to verify everything for the world, then Your will be done and praise Jesus mighty name to the miracle biz-ank. But honestly Lord, I see how it's a so much more powerful testament of your power just how it is now. I think I can honestly better share His power and glory with others how I am now, And I thank you Lord for everything you've blessed me with. Amen." Or something along those lines. 8^)
Praise God Christ found you, showed you mercy according to his purpose, and granted to you repentance!
 

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Sorry...that does not equate to a great awakening and revival to the point that any nation is spared....

God will gather ALL nations against Jerusalem to battle that he may pour out his wrath on ALL nations and seek to destroy ALL nations gathered....One of the following is true

a. The U.S. has already been destroyed
b. The U.S. will be in the ALL grouping bolded above

There will be no grand revival that spares this nation from God's hand
Hello dcontroversal, You have to put all the pieces of the puzzle (the Word) together to get a clear picture.
The first time the Lord gathers all nations is against faithless and unjust Israel (see Daniel 11).
After the abomination of desolation destroys Israel (and other Middle Eastern nations), the gentiles then tread Jerusalem underfoot for forty two months (Revelation 11:2).
The Lord then gathers His people (the faithful in love, truth, and justice) from the four ends of the earth and transports them to His barn in Israel (Zechariah 10:8-10; Matthew 13:30).
The second time the Lord gathers the worlds nations is Armageddon/Jehoshaphat, against the faithful gathered from the whole world (Joel 3:2 & 12).
The Lords wrath then comes upon the faithless.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Zechariah 10:8 I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.
9 And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again.
10 I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them.


Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Joel 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

 
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Hello dcontroversal, You have to put all the pieces of the puzzle (the Word) together to get a clear picture.
The first time the Lord gathers all nations is against faithless and unjust Israel (see Daniel 11).
After the abomination of desolation destroys Israel (and other Middle Eastern nations), the gentiles then tread Jerusalem underfoot for forty two months (Revelation 11:2).
The Lord then gathers His people (the faithful in love, truth, and justice) from the four ends of the earth and transports them to His barn in Israel (Zechariah 10:8-10; Matthew 13:30).
The second time the Lord gathers the worlds nations is Armageddon/Jehoshaphat, against the faithful gathered from the whole world (Joel 3:2 & 12).
The Lords wrath then comes upon the faithless.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Zechariah 10:8 I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased.
9 And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall live with their children, and turn again.
10 I will bring them again also out of the land of Egypt, and gather them out of Assyria; and I will bring them into the land of Gilead and Lebanon; and place shall not be found for them.


Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Joel 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
I have.........diligently for the last 32 years thanks.........there will be no revival before the end of the age
 

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I have.........diligently for the last 32 years thanks.........there will be no revival before the end of the age
I guess it's a matter of interpretation. I also do not see a general revival among the so called masses of two billion Christians, as scriptures clearly testify that there will first come a falling away from the faith. This falling away is what I see represented in the Lord once again shaking the earth, so that everything that can be shaken, will be shaken out, and thereby leaving those whose faith cannot be shaken (Hebrews 12:26-27). These whose faith cannot be shaken are they in Daniel 11:32 who will do exploits when the abomination of desolation appears (Daniel 11:31-32). These exploits done by the faithful is my interpretation of revival where acts of faith as those done by the faithful in the first century AD are once again seen. After all the Lord did say that they who truly believe on Him would do even greater works/miracles than those He did.

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
 
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I guess it's a matter of interpretation. I also do not see a general revival among the so called masses of two billion Christians, as scriptures clearly testify that there will first come a falling away from the faith. This falling away is what I see represented in the Lord once again shaking the earth, so that everything that can be shaken, will be shaken out, and thereby leaving those whose faith cannot be shaken (Hebrews 12:26-27). These whose faith cannot be shaken are they in Daniel 11:32 who will do exploits when the abomination of desolation appears (Daniel 11:31-32). These exploits done by the faithful is my interpretation of revival where acts of faith as those done by the faithful in the first century AD are once again seen. After all the Lord did say that they who truly believe on Him would do even greater works/miracles than those He did.

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.


Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Stop interpreting and just read and understand.
Interpreting the Word has lead to most misunderstand and false dogma.
Hopefully you are not doing as most do---going to the Word to PROVE what you believe.
 

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Stop interpreting and just read and understand.
Interpreting the Word has lead to most misunderstand and false dogma.
Hopefully you are not doing as most do---going to the Word to PROVE what you believe.
I did go to the Word as I posted numerous scriptures supporting my interpretation/dividing the Word.
Where do you come off insinuating that I am wrong in my interpretation/dividing the Word, when you do not post any scriptures?
 
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I did go to the Word as I posted numerous scriptures supporting my interpretation/dividing the Word.
Where do you come off insinuating that I am wrong in my interpretation/dividing the Word, when you do not post any scriptures?
I Thess. 2:3
II Timothy chapter 3
 

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Sorry...that does not equate to a great awakening and revival to the point that any nation is spared....

God will gather ALL nations against Jerusalem to battle that he may pour out his wrath on ALL nations and seek to destroy ALL nations gathered....One of the following is true

a. The U.S. has already been destroyed
b. The U.S. will be in the ALL grouping bolded above

There will be no grand revival that spares this nation from God's hand
And yet you seem so sure that Trump is going to provide one.
 
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And yet you seem so sure that Trump is going to provide one.
MAN, for teaching and believing one can lose salvation your sure lie a a lot....

GO find ONE post by me that I believe Trump is going to provide a spiritual revival before the end of the age......We will all wait....AND make no mistake, what you said is false because you will find NO SUCH POST....


FOLKS.....I have never said what RICKY just accused me of....I have asked for him to go and find such a post and post it here or be found false. Ricky believes one can lose salvation....when one lies about someone else and what they have said or not said is that a valid reason to lose salvation?
 

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It is painfully obvious that you not only fail to actually study and believe the bible, but spend more time lip flapping than anything else....

So genius is it my opinion when I say...

a. John is identified as a BABE in arms at 6 months in his mother's womb before he is born
b. That under the law an accident that cause a woman to lose her unborn child was financially recompensed
c. That under the law a purposeful act that resulted in a woman losing an unborn child was EYE for an EYE
d. AND even ANIMALS were not exempt

I do not shoot from the hip pal with opinion......and your mouthy remarks in your first post were exactly that...mouthy lip flappin!!

ABORTION is MURDER.......regardless of your inability to acknowledge the truth!
Since you like to inject subtle insults which you and the other sons of men find acceptable to do unto others, but consider it inappropriate when you find yourself on the receiving end, it surprises me not that you continue with them. But a person would have to know Christ before they could receive his doctrine, so it is little wonder that you claim abortion is murder based upon your 'opinion' that the fetus inside a female is a 'babe'. So if not a baby then what would you identify it as, a monkey?

However, just because I believe that the 'babe' in Luke 1 is a reference point that the flesh has became a living soul, it does not make it anything other more than my opinion at that point. Yet I am not going to share the rest of my testimony with you because, it would not be appropriate to give meat to a milk drinker. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Since you claim that the law that if two men strive, and hurt a woman with child, that she loses her child then obviously if they only had to pay money for the lose unborn fetus it wasn't a living soul since the law then was that life shall go for life.

So again you prove what is written in Prov 26:7;The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools. Let me know when you receive the doctrine of Christ and we can talk about the principles of the doctrine of Christ.
 
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I have never said that in my life and like normal the one who believes he can lose salvation flat misrepresents or lies about another member openly........
Giggle . . . snicker . . . snort . . . Looks like you are drawing flack from the peanut gallery for a change. I haven't been called a hateful heretick now for a couple of days now!
 
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Since you like to inject subtle insults which you and the other sons of men find acceptable until then as this thread demonstrates
you sure do find it inappropriate when you find yourself on the receiving end. But yet you continue, but a person would have to know Christ before they could receive his doctrine, so it is little wonder that you claim abortion is murder based upon your 'opinion' that the fetus inside a female is a 'babe'. So if not a baby thenwhat would you identify it as, a monkey?

However, just because I believe that the 'babe' in Luke 1 is a reference point that the flesh has became a living soul, it does not make it anything other more than my opinion at that point. Yet I am not going to share the rest of my testimony with you because, it would not be appropriate to give meat to a milk drinker. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

Since you claim that the law that if two men strive, and hurt a woman with child, that she loses her child then obviously if they only had to pay money for the lose unborn fetus it wasn't a living soul since the law then was that life shall go for life.

So again you prove what is written in Prov 26:7;The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAH go back to the pot meets kettle of your first mouthy post and a very simple solution..

A. Do not address me
B. Put me on ignore

And I claim nothing pal....go read it for yourself as it is not hard to find if you actually care about the truth.....and nice quote out of Proverbs concerning yourself....finally some honesty....!
 
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Giggle . . . snicker . . . snort . . . Looks like you are drawing flack from the peanut gallery for a change. I haven't been called a hateful heretick now for a couple of days now!
Look at the post below yours......I catch flak all the time.....