Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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I hold Arminius to be a heretic as he also denied the Trinity, so I am in no way advocating his doctrine. I am calvinist, polar opposite from Jacob.
When people that DO walk away, it is often chalked up to 'they were not really born again' and I believe this to be true. No one after being born again would even think of 'walking away' HOWEVER if one truly has free will then he can choose to walk away. The point was about free will, the will that lives in a vacuum.
When people that DO walk away, it is often chalked up to 'they were not really born again' and I believe this to be true. No one after being born again would even think of 'walking away' HOWEVER if one truly has free will then he can choose to walk away. The point was about free will, the will that lives in a vacuum.
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I hold arminius as a heretic also. But I also think calvinistic fatalism gives God a bad name, although I consider them brothers
As for people walkng away, 1 John 2 answers this question, They were never of us, if they were they never would have left.
Free will stands. That was my point, They can walk away, but no one would walk away. (And reject christ, I was a prodigal when I left baptist church, But I never denied Christ
As for people walkng away, 1 John 2 answers this question, They were never of us, if they were they never would have left.
Free will stands. That was my point, They can walk away, but no one would walk away. (And reject christ, I was a prodigal when I left baptist church, But I never denied Christ
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Someone asked about the 1335 days in Daniel.......that would be 1290 plus 45 days
45 days into the seige there was a lull while much of the abom of desolation withdrew. A lull that allowed the Christians to flee to Pella. 3 1/2 ytd from cross to abom of deso
3 1/2 yrs from being of war to mid war =1290 days
plus 45 days to middle of war......=1335 days
That is what I gather from the info available on that time.
45 days into the seige there was a lull while much of the abom of desolation withdrew. A lull that allowed the Christians to flee to Pella. 3 1/2 ytd from cross to abom of deso
3 1/2 yrs from being of war to mid war =1290 days
plus 45 days to middle of war......=1335 days
That is what I gather from the info available on that time.
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What is ignored is to many ignore the opposing Armenianism. It also is very biblical. Thus the controversy between them.
Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points
Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints
Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace
For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.
Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate
Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm
Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/
Quinquarticular Controversy
The diametrically opposed Calvinist and Armenian 5 points
Reformed/Calvinism
TULIP
1. Total depravity
2. Unconditional election
3. Limited atonement
4. Irresistible grace
5. Perserverance of the Saints
Armenianism
1. Free will or Human ability
2. Conditional election
3. Universal Redemption or General Atonement
4. The Holy Spirit can be Effectually Resisted
5. Falling from Grace
For a deeper discussion of the differences go to these web sites,
https://www.gotquestions.org/Calvinism-vs-Arminianism.html
Arminianism vs Calvinism Controversial Passages
https://www.xenos.org/essays/calvinism-arminianism-controversial-passages
There are denominations adhering to Calvinism, Arminianism, and parts of each creating a spectrum of different views of these issues.
Calvinism Armenianism debate
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Calvinist–Arminian_debate
Biblical Defense of Calvinism
https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm
Biblical Defense of Arminianism
http://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/calvinism-versus-arminianism/biblical-defense-of-arminianism/
Tis a "hard see, and sell", for ones' that are "spoiled in God's Grace", and "covering multitudes of sin" with "love", in the going and growing where Grace is not so abundant, in their believing that they are YET/STILL SAVED! IMHO? THIS is the "where" all these "WORKS FOR SALVATION", refutings stem from!
"But...But!" "It doesn't FEEL like I'm saved!" "I can't, I can't FEEL THE LOVE!" Yeah! No kiddin'! There AIN'T no love in spiritual warfare!
Galatians 2:17
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
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Nope. That just says by their own power they can nto understand
Thats why the HS was sent to convict the world.
Rejecting Christ is to reject the HS.
Why do you refuse to Give God credit for giving every man and woman an opportunity to be saved? Why do you make him out to be a respector of persons?
Thats why the HS was sent to convict the world.
Rejecting Christ is to reject the HS.
Why do you refuse to Give God credit for giving every man and woman an opportunity to be saved? Why do you make him out to be a respector of persons?
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This is so simple, yet people make it a problem. God's grace does not cancel His sovereignty, neither does His sovereignty cancel His grace. They are in perfect balance, as are all the attributes of God.
What the Reformed Christians did is to make God's sovereignty mean something TOTALLY DIFFERENT from what the Bible declares. Hence we have the FALSE DOCTRINE of Five Point Calvinism (Reformed Theology). The sad thing is that many good Christians did not figure this out and abandon this man-made teaching in a hurry.
What the Reformed Christians did is to make God's sovereignty mean something TOTALLY DIFFERENT from what the Bible declares. Hence we have the FALSE DOCTRINE of Five Point Calvinism (Reformed Theology). The sad thing is that many good Christians did not figure this out and abandon this man-made teaching in a hurry.
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