It IS the issue, your anti-calvinist stance says that you do not believe God is sovereign over you but that you are in charge
Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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It IS the issue, your anti-calvinist stance says that you do not believe God is sovereign over you but that you are in charge
I've shown it several times. Romans 5.........the sin of Adam was impuned to all, therefor all are born sinners. Adam is the federal head of the human race.
did you look up the word sovereign?? I'll bet not.
all the points of calvinism stem from that main point
No, you did not. The text of Romans 5 does not correspond with what you say about it.
Find scripture proof that God is NOT sovereign, and you have defeated calvinism.........all 5 points AND the Trinity to boot.
a 3 for 1
a 3 for 1
The sovereignity of God does not equal calvinism. Therefore you are making a false requirement.
Its as false as saying "find proof that God is not love and you have defeated arminianism".
YOU are a stinker.......misquoting me now and not just the bible. SHAME
nobody said anything about God and LOVE. It's about God and His sovereignty. YOU ARE DEFLECTING from the issue.
Scripture is crystal clear that man's salvation is not determined by man's will, yet they continue to preach decisional regeneration, man "chose" his way into eternal life &c.
John 1:13 could not be any more plain. Salvation has zero to do with man's determinative choice via his will.
But that won't stop them, Scripture never does stop them until God opens their minds to the truth.
There are other passages proving this, but there is no need on offering them when they reject one so plain. They'll just hop over to a whosoever will verse as if it disproves another passage...sad to witness their poor hermeneutic in action all in order to protect their faulty gospel of man choosing his way into heaven via "free will."
Please, read more carefuly.
Your statement "prove that God is not sovereign and calvinism will be blah blah" is as wrong as to state "prove that God is not love and arminianism is blah blah".
I hope you can comprehend the point.
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There are some funny jokes on the internet about this "temperament" ... must be several have made this observation and connection too!
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How about this, You do it, and I will do it?
Or you can ontinue to deny you have done anything wrong.
ok, I can see you just like being silly and have no substance to deal with. I did try to make the offer to explain my side and ask why we differ on some points, but I see you would rather not. ok by me
I seek no common ground with a person that would seek to limit My Saviour's mission field. Your whole theory is a sad joke . . . on you . . . and those that could come to Christ through you, that won't, because they don't need to come to Christ when they have already been there from the foundation of the world.
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Nice example, But I think you are missing something
I take you to the OT where God sent snakes to punish the people who sinned, the penalty would be death.
The people repented, and asked for salvation
What Was Gods response?
Here I will let moses speak for himself.
Numbers 21:
7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you; pray to the Lord that He take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
8 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.
in Fact, Jesus mentioned this while he walked the earth, that he too must be liften up.
John 3:
As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; 15 so that whoever [d]believes will in Him have eternal life.
16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
As you see in both cases
Sin caused death
God provided a means of salvation
The people had to CHOSE to believe in Gods provision and live, or reject Gods provision and continue in death.
God caused, He offered, I just humbled mysef enough to say yes. No different than the children of Isreal who were being bitten by poisonous snakes (using your poison example) who had to CHOSE in faith to look up at Gods provision. Failing to do so would result in death.
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Who was it that was telling people not to attack or judge others?
Judge not lest ye be judged.
I understand Gods soverignty completly. I also understand Gods love completely. And his justice, and his total essence..
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No one is saying this
One more time, Stop judging people with false truths. Just because they disagree with you
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