This is a sincere question to mostly those who already believe they are eternally secure (OSAS), and cannot lose their Salvation because Jesus is the One who gave it to them and keeps it secure.
I know there are umpteen OSAS threads, and that can certainly and most likely will be discussed here as EVERY thread eventually boils down to that.
But what I'm asking is are those that don't believe in eternal security saved? I honestly don't know, but would like to hear your thoughts on this issue. At one time I thought you COULD lose your Salvation. I knew who Jesus is (God in the flesh) and what He has done (die to pay for our sin and resurrected to life after 3 days) but also thought that I could lose that Salvation for "willing sin" or disobedience in not totally following Him.
Others here believe they could lose their Salvation for additional reasons. So my question is does thinking you can lose your Salvation equate to NOT being saved?
May God Bless you all!
Dude will you please stop trying to read my mind, and tell people what I am saying.
YOUR WRONG, EG HAS NEVER SAID THIS, nor has EG EVER INSINUATED THIS. In fact NO PERSON I have ever met says this is true. NO ONE!
Forgive me fore yelling, but I get sick of this nonsense of people assuming they know what everyone believes, and never listening!!
You people who think you know what everyone believes are getting to be for the birds. Stop trying to assume you know and for once in your time in CC can you just listen?
If you have faith in a person YOU WILL IN TRUST AT LEAST TRY TO DO WHAT THEY SAY, When you take steps of faith, and realise how much better it is to do Gods will. YOU DO IT MORE AS YOUR FAITH GROWS.
People who NEVER do what the person they CLAIM to have faith in asks. NEVER HAD FAITH IN THAT PERSON.
Abraham had faith, He did all those works which showed his faith was real. In the mean time, he also commited some prety deep sins.
David had faith, He slew Goliath and with the help of god won many victories.. He aslo commited many grave sins.
Acts of obedience has never sved on person. FAITH HAS ALWAYS SAVED A PERSON.
A persons WORKS are a RESULT of their salvation, Be it in the OT or the NT. No work a person has ever done caused God to forgive one sin.
Anyone who is discussing the gspel and how one is saved should NEVER talk about works. Works are not part of the equation, be it works of the law or works of faith or any work.
We are saved by Grace THROUGH faith, They were saved by GRACE through FAITH.
No one at any time has ever been saved by any other mean, PERIOD.
We should not equate non belief in OSAS to not being saved. Let's wait for God's righteous judgment
We are saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH. (Justification) Ephesians 2:8-9
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...For we are God’s workmanship, created IN Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance FOR US TO DO. Ephesians 2:10
A NEW creation IN CHRIST JESUS to do GOOD WORKS and to do GOD'S WORKS. (see Ephesians 4:11-13, 1 Corinthians 12)
...We are God's fellow workers (1 Corinthians 3:9) so we don't receive God's grace in vain. (2 Corinthians 6:1) We live HOLY lives as we are SANCTIFIED by the TRUTH of the WORD through the POWER of the Holy Spirit that enables us to meet the RIGHTEOUS REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW (Romans 8:4, Malachi 3:13-18)
We can LOSE our salvation if we don't become obedient to the FAITH and if we change the Grace of our God into a license for immorality and thereby nullifying and rejecting God's WORD, teachings, laws and commandments.(Jude 1:3, Mark 7:6-13)
Believing in OSAS cannot SAVE and the same with non belief in OSAS.
Let's not discredit or reject SANCTIFICATION and God's righteous JUDGMENT unto salvation.
We were JUSTIFIED to be reconciled back to God, out of the power of the darkness and into His light. To be made WORTHY (revelations 3:1-6) of His calling and to serve the living God. (hebrews 9:14)
We were JUSTIFIED to be reborn through the living and enduring WORD of God, to be a new creation IN CHRIST who will do what He has been doing and even more greater things because He and the Father abides in us and work in us and with us through the power of the Holy Spirit helping us and leading us unto all righteousness through our obedience that comes from Faith.(1 Peter 1:23, john 14:12,21-23, 1 corinthians 3:9,12:1-31, 2 Corinthians 6:1, Romans 1:5)
We were Saved(JUSTIFIED) by GRACE through (A LIVING and NOT DEAD) FAITH and this is not of our own works.
Being JUSTIFIED in Christ, the seed that was sown into our hearts
is now ready to GROW and BEAR FRUITS through the SANCTIFICATION by the Holy Spirit through the WORD.(john 17:17)as we wait for a Savior from heaven, our LORD Jesus Christ (Philippians 3:20)and the righteous JUDGMENT of the ALMIGHTY LIVING GOD.
.... Therefore, prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed. As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “be holy, because I am holy.”
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Ephesians 5:6
