Does saved by grace, not under law cancel the 119th Psalm?

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Blik said:
The scripture I read tells me I am saved by grace, and a saved person listens to the spirit of the law. When I search for what that is I find that it is the law of Moses obeyed through love, not in a mechanical way. I believe God gave the 119th Psalm and it is the truth, just as saved by grace is the truth. They say one cancels the other.

Do you believe they are both truth? Can we be "not under law" and believe the 119th Psalm?
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This is salvation for the one who obeys with all their heart. God's laws were obeyed physically under Moses but are now obeyed spiritually under Christ. For example, they had physical circumcision under Moses, whereas we have spiritual circumcision of the heart- which God performs with Christ's blood when we get baptized. God's laws do not change, the only thing that changed is how we obey them. The one who puts no effort into obeying God is in denial if they think they are saved. We have biblical examples of "Well done good and faithful servant" and "Throw that lazy wicked servant into outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
 
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p_rehbein said:
nothing like living on borrowed time is there........... :)

mayhaps you guys should all take a deep breath, step back, and give it a bit of a wee rest?
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Why do you post to me if the message is for "you guys"?
I'm just what this place needs, a scape goat. No one wants to take responcibility for their own actions.
And it is clear that management won't do anything. Except bark at you in public. Very bad form.
 
preacher4truth said:
Do you go to confession regularly? Mass on Saturday?
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Here's another one for you.
Who is being thrown in the fire? And what does that represent? (hell)

Matthew 7:16-20
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
 
Sketch said:
Here's another one for you.
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What do you mean another one for me? You haven't understood any of the other texts you've provided, and think Jesus sinned (broke the Law).

I've proven to you that Jesus did obey the law, fulfilling it, Romans 5:19, something you deny, and then you quote a verse thinking he broke the law; John 5:18.

The only way you're going to move forward is by being corrected in your past error and owning it, instead of moving away from it in denial.
 
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preacher4truth said:
What do you mean another one for me? You haven't understood any of the other texts you've provided, and think Jesus sinned (broke the Law).

I've proven to you that Jesus did obey the law, fulfilling it, Romans 5:19, something you deny, and then you quote a verse thinking he broke the law; John 5:18.

The only way you're going to move forward is by being corrected in your past error and owning it, instead of moving away from it in denial.
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What is the most basic violation of the Sabbath? (work)
Did Jesus work on the Sabbath? (yes)
Did he admit that it was work? (yes)
Was it sin? (nope) Why not?
He was setting the law aside.
He was Lord of the Sabbath. It was his call.

John 5:16-18
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
 
preacher4truth said:
What do you mean another one for me? You haven't understood any of the other texts you've provided, and think Jesus sinned (broke the Law).

I've proven to you that Jesus did obey the law, fulfilling it, Romans 5:19, something you deny, and then you quote a verse thinking he broke the law; John 5:18.

The only way you're going to move forward is by being corrected in your past error and owning it, instead of moving away from it in denial.
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So, you are incapable of answering the questions? I figured as much.
As a mister-know-it-all you are a very BIG disappointment.
Full of hot air, no substance.
 
pottersclay said:
The law was established by God as the mark of excellence. The term sin which the Lord uses to decribe fallen man's nature can be best describe in archery terms "to miss the mark".
The common ground of all humanity is this "all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God."
With God being the judge of all person's according to his law there was none righteous no not one.
The sentence of death had to be carried out for it was the law. For breaking one meant breaking all.

The law is a reminder that we have a just and holy God, that his love and mercy towards us is without measure.
That his grace towards us came with a high price which he paid in full. Our very souls are his treasure.
The law that was once written in stone by his finger are now written on our hearts as a reminder of what has been done for us
Establishing grace at his expense.
Before the foundations of the world he had made provision to save his children knowing that their innocence would be corrupted.
The law holds no more death sentence over us for we are at peace with it's true giver.
Let us not serve the law but love the giver of it for he has freed us of it's grip.
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What is your definition of the term "the law"?
What law are you referring to?
If you answer, "God's law", I will ask for a definition of that as well. Thanks.
 
Why do people keep saying that the law was established by GOD In CHRIST rather than saying the law was fulfilled by GOD In CHRIST as a man righteously?
 
preacher4truth said:
What do you mean another one for me? You haven't understood any of the other texts you've provided, and think Jesus sinned (broke the Law).

I've proven to you that Jesus did obey the law, fulfilling it, Romans 5:19, something you deny, and then you quote a verse thinking he broke the law; John 5:18.

The only way you're going to move forward is by being corrected in your past error and owning it, instead of moving away from it in denial.
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To whom was this written?

Mark 9:43
If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
 
Sketch said:
I can see why you call yourself "Idiot in Chief".
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Wow dude really?

Let me help

This is a bible DISCUSSION forum,

WHen people discuss the word. Some will disagree

Some people. When they disagree, give a thumbs down, just like when they agree, they give a thumbs up.

If you can not handle people disagreeing with you...

1. WHy are you so proud you think you know it all?
2. Why are you in a bible discussion forum?
 
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Sketch said:
Why do you post to me if the message is for "you guys"?
I'm just what this place needs, a scape goat. No one wants to take responcibility for their own actions.
And it is clear that management won't do anything. Except bark at you in public. Very bad form.
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If your crying because people are giving you thumbs down, and yu keep reporting people over and over, what else should the mods do?
 
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Sketch said:
What is the most basic violation of the Sabbath? (work)
Did Jesus work on the Sabbath? (yes)
Did he admit that it was work? (yes)
Was it sin? (nope) Why not?
He was setting the law aside.
He was Lord of the Sabbath. It was his call.

John 5:16-18
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
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Oh boy, Jesus did not set aside the law. He did not break the law. If he broke the law he sinned, and did not fulfill the law. Thus he could not make the atoning sacrifice He would burn in hell with the rest of us.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Oh boy, Jesus did not set aside the law. He did not break the law. If he broke the law he sinned, and did not fulfill the law. Thus he could not make the atoning sacrifice He would burn in hell with the rest of us.
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Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
 
Sketch said:
He was setting the law aside.
He was Lord of the Sabbath. It was his call.

John 5:16-18
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
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Uh, he IS Lord of the Sabbath, not "was."

Did you know he is still alive? The I Am? &c?

Furthermore he didn't set the law aside, and frankly that's just plain ignorance to say that.

You don't know what you're talking about. lolzzzz.....
 
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Sketch said:
Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
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You missed some important verses here

Gal 3:
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”


If Jesus broke the law he is cursed. Period.

11 But that no one is [d]justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law,


In order for christ to redeem us from the curse of the law. As the sacrificial lamb, He had to obey the law perfectly to fulfill it. If he broke one command, he is guilty.

You really need to study more my friend.
 
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Sketch said:
Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
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Ps, while I am at it. You report people who give you thumbs down, Yet you give thumbs down to others.

Do you understand what that makes you?
 
preacher4truth said:
Uh, he IS Lord of the Sabbath, not "was."

Did you know he is still alive? The I Am? &c?

Furthermore he didn't set the law aside, and frankly that's just plain ignorance to say that.

You don't know what you're talking about. lolzzzz.....
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Hebrews 8:7, 13
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. ...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
You missed some important verses here

Gal 3:
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”


If Jesus broke the law he is cursed. Period.

11 But that no one is [d]justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law,


In order for christ to redeem us from the curse of the law. As the sacrificial lamb, He had to obey the law perfectly to fulfill it. If he broke one command, he is guilty.

You really need to study more my friend.
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John 5:45
“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.
 
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