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gb9

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Studyman said:
That is your religion, and a very popular teaching. But Jesus said they didn't keep the Letter of the Law and just added some things. You preach this, Decon, G9, MMD, the Pope, Jimmy Swaggert, you all preach this.

But Jesus taught.

Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not God as you just said)

Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

But you all preach it is God who places heavy burdens and grievous to be born.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

But you just said the are trying to "Earn" Salvation by following the "Letter of the Law" only just adding to it for personal gain.

You said they were "Serving themselves" for personal Gain.

John 8:
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

But Jesus said they were serving their father, the devil.

So Billy, if I were to follow your Religion, I would have to erase these Word's of My Savior, be convinced He was a fraud and cheated on His mission that He declared was "Finished" at His death, which really never happened, I would have to believe He followed His own doctrine, and not the Doctrine of His Father. And then I would have to believe He destroyed the Law and Prophets which forbids creating images of God in the likeness of man, creating our own High Days, rejecting His Sabbath that He created for me, and also be convinced that I am immortal and nothing I can do, nothing Jesus says or God Almighty can change it.

Surely you can see how a man should consider a religion which does these things. This is why Jesus said at the end of His Word, "Come out of her My People".
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except, the Father, on the mount of transfiguration , said of the Son " hear Him ".

so, the Father said to hear the Son. in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ).

this elevates the Words of the Son above all other Scripture, the Words in Red are what we are ton follow.

it's so sad how you go on and on about obeying, yet you will not obey the Father.
 
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gb9 said:
except, the Father, on the mount of transfiguration , said of the Son " hear Him ".

so, the Father said to hear the Son. in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ).

this elevates the Words of the Son above all other Scripture, the Words in Red are what we are ton follow.

it's so sad how you go on and on about obeying, yet you will not obey the Father.
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He seems to be delusional about what we all teach.......
 
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gb9 said:
except, the Father, on the mount of transfiguration , said of the Son " hear Him ".

so, the Father said to hear the Son. in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ).

this elevates the Words of the Son above all other Scripture, the Words in Red are what we are ton follow.

it's so sad how you go on and on about obeying, yet you will not obey the Father.
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Okay.

Where did Jesus preach the death burial and resurrection of Jesus?
 
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Ariel82 said:
My favorite Christian band is Casting Crowns because we will one day toss our crowns at the feet of Jesus.
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YES, that is actually what the Winning Athlete of Paul's day did. They would walk over to their KING seated front and center in the arena, Bow or Kneel, as he took off the Crown, and say: "I won this for you my King!"

Ours may be GOLD, because of this verse:

1 Corinthians 9:25 (CSBBible)
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything. They do it to receive a perishable crown,
but we an imperishable crown.

 
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dcontroversal said:
For those who teach salvation can be lost or forfeit...

I will make one post in this thread and after that good luck if you believe salvation can be lost.....

It is MORE absurd and IGNORANT to believe salvation can be lost based upon the following truths, promises and words that MUST BE REJECTED, DENIED, TWISTED or TRAMPLED UNDER FOOT......FOR salvation to be lost the following MUST be false.

a. I will NEVER leave thee nor FORSAKE THEE
b. We are SAVED to the UTTERMOST
c. WE are KEPT BY THE POWER OF GOD THROUGH FAITH
d. IF WE believe NOT (AFTER FAITH) HE abides faithful because HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF
e. We are in the SON'S HAND<-NO MAN can yank us away
f. We are in the FATHER's HAND<-NO man can YANK us away
g. We are sealed with the HOLY SPIRIT of PROMISE UNTO the DAY of REDEMPTION
h. WE are born of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED by the HOLY SPIRIT from ABOVE
I. THE GIFTS of GOD are IRREVOCABLE
J. SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT
k. WE are given ETERNAL LIFE <-NOT temporal based upon performance
l. OUR freely given LIFE is EVERLASTING <-NOT temporal based upon performance
m. NOTHING shall separate us from the LOVE OF GOD
n. JESUS said he will LOSE NOTHING but will RAISE IT UP THE LAST DAY
o. WHATSOEVER GOD does is EVERLASTING <- including SAVING US
p. HE that believes on the SON IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE
q. THESE things are written that YOU MAY KNOW YOU HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE
r. WE ARE JUSTIFIED ETERNALLY by the BLOOD of CHRIST dia FAITH
s. WE are Sanctified in Christ positionally and ETERNALLY <--SEE HEBREWS
t. JESUS will leave the 99 to FIND US if we walk AWAY
u. WE are chastened for disobedience NOT CAST AWAY
v. SOME have works of wood, hay and stubble yet are SAVED SO A BY FIRE
w. THE prodigal was a SON and ALIVE throughout the WHOLE PROCESS and only PERCEIVED as dead and still received as a SON
x. IF we are in Christ we are NOT CONDEMNED <-John and Romans
y. SALVATION is spoken of in ALL THREE verb tenses and a PERFECT TENSE VERB = PRESENT continuing result from a past completed action
z. He that BEGAN a good work of FAITH in YOU will FINISH that which he started

AND ON and ON and ON and ON.........EVERY ONE of the above truths must be denied, rejected or twisted out of context to believe the drivel that salvation can be lost and this is just off the top of my head at 8 am with no coffee yet......There are NO verses IN context that teach a salvation that can be lost like a coin at the local park.....and those who peddle such are akin to a street organ player with a dancing monkey in Calcutta playing and dancing for said COIN......

It must be tragic to serve such a weak, inept god that cannot keep you saved or one that needs help to maintain that which already IS by faith..........
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Let us HUMBLY accept the WORD that is PLANTED in our hearts. We should repent and obey them.

“To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

If we love Him we will obey His commands. What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Anyone who claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. He set an example that we should do. Though He was the Son of God, He learned obedience from what He suffered and became the source of eternal salvation for those who obey Him. But the world must learn that He love the Father and that He does exactly what His Father has commanded Him.

Rejecting the Law and commandments of God unto salvation is a clear disobedience to God which only means that you don't LOVE God and if you don't LOVE God, it certainly mean that you hate Him.

Eve got DECEIVED by the evil one when she believed the serpent and disobeyed God's commands.

Disobedience separates us from God and the penalty is death. As the Aposrle Paul said;

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Ephesians 5:6

We love because he first loved us. 20 If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21 And he has given us this command:Whoever loves God must also love his brother. 1john 4:19-21

This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. (justification)And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. (obedience) 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? 18 Dear children,let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth. 1 john 3:16-18

Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins. James 4:17
 
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theanointedsinner said:
exquisite post young master Robert, a fine choice for our delicacy, rich in wisdom indeed. *w/ pinky raised up*
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Just curious to know if you ever got the Scripture template/graphic I made at your request? I posted it in this thread some time back...
 
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if the concept of OSAS can file harassment charges, BDF will receive the charge as thick as a phone book!

since OSAS is considered as a "dead horse topic"
harassed and picked on

we believe in eternal security, we must defend the truth.
 
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See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in Him, who is the head of all rule and authority. ​
(Colossians 2:8-10)​
 
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