A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM
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@UnderGrace thank you for the likes and support my friend. When asked if she sins now, she said no. Logic demands she is now living in a sinless state. I am pressing her to admit to what her logic demands.
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We have new Christians (anointed sinner) and I hope he does not mind my comment, but he is just learning about what it actually means to be in Christ. To read it in scripture is one thing, but to really grasp it as a present reality is different.
Yet we both know this by no means, means that we are without sin.
Very important to not boast about being without sin.
Yet we both know this by no means, means that we are without sin.
Very important to not boast about being without sin.
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When we are in a cave, all people can see is the darkness(if they are standing outside looking in) being in that cave. That does not mean we are not there, but they can not see us.
To be in Christ is kind of like that. All God sees is the Son, but we are there, being in Christ. We live, yet it is Christ who lives in us. We are in Him and He in us. What wonderful news to know this my friend. This also does not mean we are sinless, but we, as believers, sin less.
To be in Christ is kind of like that. All God sees is the Son, but we are there, being in Christ. We live, yet it is Christ who lives in us. We are in Him and He in us. What wonderful news to know this my friend. This also does not mean we are sinless, but we, as believers, sin less.
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Under Grace is the wrong person from which to seek council concerning me.
You press me because you do not care to take the time to learn the answers to your questions in the article I provided that tells you everything you need to know.
No Christian boasts about being sinless. We live in the truth of Christ and what it means to be a Christian. If you are still a sinner saved by grace, you weren't saved at all.
There are a few that think they grasp scripture. But it doesn't take long to read them and realize they don't.But they brag none the less in their own way so as to impart those they do not respect are clueless. And a good thing if being clued in would pertain to their way of thinking about scripture.
It's unfortunate to witness how many Christians profess the title and faith but have no idea what salvation entails. Salvation is the saving grace of God that redeems those dead in their sins as sinners unto the new creation that is that of one redeemed from sin and that state of death, so as to be alive in Christ as a saint.
Thinking ones self is still a sinner who sins, by all that meant according to the doctrine of God as pertains to the meaning of sinner, and sin, is still that after redemption, is absurd! And the idea one that believes that way is a Christian is what is called in many circles, lazy believerism.
One who believes in Jesus but has never taken the time to study first what is required in order to come into redemption.
That one who reads that piece of scripture about faith in Christ and thinks all they have to do is believe in Christ and they're good to go.
They're not. But that can go a long way to explain why those who think that way still insist and expect others to admit , they are sinners who sin.
If you are a sinner who sins? Then the teaching of redemption by Christ is a lie.
Oh, wait! It isn't!
That means, if someone thinks they're a Christian who is a sinner who sins, they're wrong and they're living a lie. Lazy believerism sucks. It only hurts the lazy believer. God's word does not change to fit that ideology. God's word predated that lazy believer idea that all it takes is to have faith and not know a hill of beans about what the teachings of Christ and the doctrine of salvation means.
You'll not press me into anything dear. Never in the new testament is a saved person referred to as sinner.
(From the article you refuse to read. And you need to because you don't know a lot about the faith.)
"....NONE of those scriptures shows the sinner as anything but an unredeemed person, an unbeliever, or even someone who has wandered from the truth. NEVER is a person with a saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ called a sinner.
None of us who claim to be Christians with a saving faith should ever call ourselves a sinner. It is not appropriate to try to claim common ground with unbelievers or immature Christians by saying that you also are a sinner. Scripture says otherwise. Christians are not sinners. If you are a sinner one who habitually sins, you are not a true believer. In that case you can properly call yourself a sinner. Please note the distinction: Christians do occasionally sin. A sinner habitually sins. The Christian (should) immediately repent and seek Gods forgiveness. The sinner does not.
A Christian can properly say, I was a sinner, but have been saved by grace. "
You won't press a mouse button so as to read from the Berean site so as to learn what you demonstrate in your "pressing" of me you do not know yourself.
We are not saved when we think you're still that sinner that needed saving. You're not perpetually damned as a sinner while thinking you are eternally saved as a Christian. It doesn't work that way.
Jesus came to save sinners! Not save people so they can still consider themselves sinners.
It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners (Mark 2:17)
If that doesn't answer your question, I don't care.
You press me because you do not care to take the time to learn the answers to your questions in the article I provided that tells you everything you need to know.
No Christian boasts about being sinless. We live in the truth of Christ and what it means to be a Christian. If you are still a sinner saved by grace, you weren't saved at all.
There are a few that think they grasp scripture. But it doesn't take long to read them and realize they don't.But they brag none the less in their own way so as to impart those they do not respect are clueless. And a good thing if being clued in would pertain to their way of thinking about scripture.
It's unfortunate to witness how many Christians profess the title and faith but have no idea what salvation entails. Salvation is the saving grace of God that redeems those dead in their sins as sinners unto the new creation that is that of one redeemed from sin and that state of death, so as to be alive in Christ as a saint.
Thinking ones self is still a sinner who sins, by all that meant according to the doctrine of God as pertains to the meaning of sinner, and sin, is still that after redemption, is absurd! And the idea one that believes that way is a Christian is what is called in many circles, lazy believerism.
One who believes in Jesus but has never taken the time to study first what is required in order to come into redemption.
That one who reads that piece of scripture about faith in Christ and thinks all they have to do is believe in Christ and they're good to go.
They're not. But that can go a long way to explain why those who think that way still insist and expect others to admit , they are sinners who sin.
If you are a sinner who sins? Then the teaching of redemption by Christ is a lie.
Oh, wait! It isn't!
That means, if someone thinks they're a Christian who is a sinner who sins, they're wrong and they're living a lie. Lazy believerism sucks. It only hurts the lazy believer. God's word does not change to fit that ideology. God's word predated that lazy believer idea that all it takes is to have faith and not know a hill of beans about what the teachings of Christ and the doctrine of salvation means.
You'll not press me into anything dear. Never in the new testament is a saved person referred to as sinner.
(From the article you refuse to read. And you need to because you don't know a lot about the faith.)
"....NONE of those scriptures shows the sinner as anything but an unredeemed person, an unbeliever, or even someone who has wandered from the truth. NEVER is a person with a saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ called a sinner.
None of us who claim to be Christians with a saving faith should ever call ourselves a sinner. It is not appropriate to try to claim common ground with unbelievers or immature Christians by saying that you also are a sinner. Scripture says otherwise. Christians are not sinners. If you are a sinner one who habitually sins, you are not a true believer. In that case you can properly call yourself a sinner. Please note the distinction: Christians do occasionally sin. A sinner habitually sins. The Christian (should) immediately repent and seek Gods forgiveness. The sinner does not.
A Christian can properly say, I was a sinner, but have been saved by grace. "
You won't press a mouse button so as to read from the Berean site so as to learn what you demonstrate in your "pressing" of me you do not know yourself.
We are not saved when we think you're still that sinner that needed saving. You're not perpetually damned as a sinner while thinking you are eternally saved as a Christian. It doesn't work that way.
Jesus came to save sinners! Not save people so they can still consider themselves sinners.
It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners (Mark 2:17)
If that doesn't answer your question, I don't care.
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http://www.bereanpublishers.com/are-christians-sinners-or-saints/
This is a false doctrine that future sins are not forgiven.
Berean publishers are not being good bereans....smh
This is a false doctrine that future sins are not forgiven.
Berean publishers are not being good bereans....smh
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I agree we should see ourselves as who we are in Christ, however this does not mean we are sinless. We still sin.
I agree that for a victorious walk better to focus on Christ in us than the sin in us.
I did read the article.....as always the some truth and then some doctrines that I believe are false.
We are eternally saved based upon Christs righteousness and all future sins are indeed forgiven
I agree that for a victorious walk better to focus on Christ in us than the sin in us.
I did read the article.....as always the some truth and then some doctrines that I believe are false.
We are eternally saved based upon Christs righteousness and all future sins are indeed forgiven
P.S. Do yourself a favor that can last eternity. Read the article and learn from the word of God that is referenced throughout so as to give a full and complete understanding.
Or don't. It's up to you. In the time you "press" me or others to explain things to you, you could have finished the article and had the answers God means you to have. As he meant for all who are to come into salvation to have.
Or don't. It's up to you. In the time you "press" me or others to explain things to you, you could have finished the article and had the answers God means you to have. As he meant for all who are to come into salvation to have.
And again, Paul's writing style is not to be overlooked. He was formerly a chief sinner. If Paul thought himself a chief sinner still, then he would know he was not saved at all. How hard is it really? Jesus came to save sinners.
He didn't come to save sinners so that the redeemed whom God has said he no longer remembers their sins could still insist they are a sinner.
Jesus came to save sinners!
He didn't come to save sinners so that the redeemed whom God has said he no longer remembers their sins could still insist they are a sinner.
Jesus came to save sinners!
Christians are not sinners . . . but they sin. If they did not sin then God wasted ink by adding a verses like these to His Word.
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us" (1 John 1:8-10).
However, it is proper to say that born-again Christians do not CONTINUE in sin. However, they may do it for a season--but God makes it very difficult for them through the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
A non-believer can do good or bad--it doesn't matter to him one way or the other. It really doesn't bother him though they do at times feel guilt through their conscience.
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us" (1 John 1:8-10).
However, it is proper to say that born-again Christians do not CONTINUE in sin. However, they may do it for a season--but God makes it very difficult for them through the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
A non-believer can do good or bad--it doesn't matter to him one way or the other. It really doesn't bother him though they do at times feel guilt through their conscience.
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"AM" does not speak of past tense . . . Paul was still a mortal man living in the flesh. He considered himself the worse sinner that ever lived. But that belief is not Paul's alone, for every Blood-bought child of God can't help but think, 'Yea, but I am worse!'
We see ourselves the way that God once saw us--but now He doesn't see us that way no more, because He won't look through the Blood covering of His Son, Who is now our righteousness, our High Priest, our Intercessor. We are saved to the uttermost.
We see ourselves the way that God once saw us--but now He doesn't see us that way no more, because He won't look through the Blood covering of His Son, Who is now our righteousness, our High Priest, our Intercessor. We are saved to the uttermost.
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That 1 John verse is so misused in discussions like this. Context is always key in studying the scriptures. That's why it is important to study scripture , not piecemeal parts to further argument of one's understanding that can be in error, so as to know the full context imparted.
1 John is believed to have been written by the Apostle John. Many Bible scholars contend the names of the new testament books are not those of and for the Apostle who themselves wrote the work, but rather are references to the scribes who translated the written record of what would have began as the Apostles oral teachings of the word. As Christianity was first an oral tradition, well prior to the printing press of course, and also because in 1st century Palestine, Asia, and elsewhere where the Apostles journeyed, most of the peasant class and to whom the Gospel was largely taught were illiterate.
1 John is thought to have been written to believers in Ephesus, which was located in Asia Minor. (read more here)
In 1 John John was teaching to those who had never heard the Gospel, and reiterating to those who were in the faith, the basic tenets of the faith in Christ. Which would necessarily entail first countering any who would doubt the status of sinner needing salvation. Therein is why the verses in 8 through 10. If we say we have no sin.....
John knew Jesus came to save sinners. He wouldn't have saved them from anything at all if after they accepted his word they were still sinners. Given all that sinner means in God's plan.
1 John is believed to have been written by the Apostle John. Many Bible scholars contend the names of the new testament books are not those of and for the Apostle who themselves wrote the work, but rather are references to the scribes who translated the written record of what would have began as the Apostles oral teachings of the word. As Christianity was first an oral tradition, well prior to the printing press of course, and also because in 1st century Palestine, Asia, and elsewhere where the Apostles journeyed, most of the peasant class and to whom the Gospel was largely taught were illiterate.
1 John is thought to have been written to believers in Ephesus, which was located in Asia Minor. (read more here)
In 1 John John was teaching to those who had never heard the Gospel, and reiterating to those who were in the faith, the basic tenets of the faith in Christ. Which would necessarily entail first countering any who would doubt the status of sinner needing salvation. Therein is why the verses in 8 through 10. If we say we have no sin.....
John knew Jesus came to save sinners. He wouldn't have saved them from anything at all if after they accepted his word they were still sinners. Given all that sinner means in God's plan.
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