A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM

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Hevosmies

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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
I would read it, my friend. Look, I went from semi-Pelagianism, Modalism, Arianism to where I am today. I am teachable. But people must come to me with scripture.
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I dont even know what Modalism is. How about that?

Modalism, Mode. I assume its the oneness pentecostal system where God operates in different modes and stuff.
 
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Hevosmies said:
I dont even know what Modalism is. How about that?

Modalism, Mode. I assume its the oneness pentecostal system where God operates in different modes and stuff.
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Yes. It’s oneness Pentecostalism. But I saw it as God-only, not Jesus-only.
 
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If one doesn't understand this?
2Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
NOT "Noah's flood!" (note the word "heavens")

Nor, if one doesn't understand Rev.12 connects partially with 2Peter 3:5?

You will NEVER understand the "election of GRACE!"

NOR, "Foreknowing", OR "Predestining!"

Does this mean if one is NOT "foreknown", or "predestined", and has believed, and believing, that "whosoever will may come", to the Cross of Christ, and believe in their heart, Christ was raised from the dead, by the Spirit of God, is NOT saved?
NO!

Weaning OFF THE MILK! :eek: It's NOT "easy!" It's NOT "fun" either! But, is of THE UTMOST NECESSITY, this be done!
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
And this is why I said I didn’t want to defend my position, @UnderGrace . I gave my defense and was quickly shot down.
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Sorry you are taking it personally, but it was your choice to come to this thread and defend Calvinism, which you have every right to do.

Everything needs to stand up to scrutiny. We are called to test.

If it was shot down then perhaps this "systematic theology" is vulnerable and suspect therefore worthy of a second, third, fourth.... review?
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
If someone flatlines and they do CPR, we’re they active when they cae back, my friend? We were dead in sin and God had to quicken us.
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What about my second question, why does God pick people from developed countries to quicken?
 
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UnderGrace said:
Sorry you are taking it personally, but it was your choice to come to this thread and defend Calvinism, which you have every right to do.

Everything needs to stand up to scrutiny. We are called to test.

If it was shot down then perhaps this "systematic theology" is vulnerable and suspect therefore worthy of a second, third, fourth.... review?
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I am not offended by being shot down. I knew the consequences of doing it. I have my bulletproof vest on, my friend.
 
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UnderGrace said:
What about my second question, why does God pick people from developed countries to quicken?
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He has already chosen all His people from before the foundation of the earth was laid, my friend.(Ephesians 1:4) And He will make sure they get the gospel presented to them, as well.
 
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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
If someone flatlines and they do CPR, we’re they active when they cae back, my friend? We were dead in sin and God had to quicken us.
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What if we do not want to be quickened, are you saying God overcomes and imposes his will on a person?
 
trofimus

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You are both right, you just do not try to come to agreement.

God wants all people to be saved and to come to repentance, because He is love.

But because of some other reasons He decided not to save all.
 
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UnderGrace said:
What if we do not want to be quickened, are you saying God overcomes and imposes his will on a person?
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In Romans 8:5-9, Paul writes(or has it dictated?) about the two types of people in the world, the lost and saved.

I will use the King James Bible to appease my King James Bible only friends

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Those who are after(following) the flesh, are carnally minded, are in the flesh, are at enmity with God, all are the lost. These people can not please God in any way, seeing they are absent God’s Spirit. Those in the flesh hate God.

Those who are after(following) the Spirit, are those who are saved. Those who are saved love God. E has changed their hatred of Him into love. Those who love God, have been born(birth has already taken place) of Him.(1 John 4:7)
 
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NayborBear said:
If one doesn't understand this?
2Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
NOT "Noah's flood!" (note the word "heavens")

Nor, if one doesn't understand Rev.12 connects partially with 2Peter 3:5?

You will NEVER understand the "election of GRACE!"

NOR, "Foreknowing", OR "Predestining!"

Does this mean if one is NOT "foreknown", or "predestined", and has believed, and believing, that "whosoever will may come", to the Cross of Christ, and believe in their heart, Christ was raised from the dead, by the Spirit of God, is NOT saved?
NO!

Weaning OFF THE MILK! :eek: It's NOT "easy!" It's NOT "fun" either! But, is of THE UTMOST NECESSITY, this be done!
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Actually, election and predestination are milk...
 
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trofimus said:
You are both right, you just do not try to come to agreement.

God wants all people to be saved and to come to repentance, because He is love.

But because of some other reasons He decided not to save all.
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Sorry bro, but the above isn't biblical or true. You're taking Peter out of context...
 
Hevosmies

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trofimus said:
You are both right, you just do not try to come to agreement.

God wants all people to be saved and to come to repentance, because He is love.

But because of some other reasons He decided not to save all.
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Contradicting statement.
Then He doesnt want all to be saved, He would do what He wants and that is: Save all.
 
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Hevosmies said:
Contradicting statement.
Then He doesnt want all to be saved, He would do what He wants and that is: Save all.
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No. Why should it be contradicting? Its very natural and simple even in your life that you want something but you have other, higher reasons why you will not do it.
 
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UnderGrace said:
What about my second question, why does God pick people from developed countries to quicken?
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Good point. What about Japan? Not many people getting saved over there. (in comparison)

God (in calvinism) seems to like more europeans in His kingdom than anyone else.

Oy vey!
 
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trofimus said:
No. Why should it be contradicting? Its very natural and simple even in your life that you want something but you have other, higher reasons why you will not do it.
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Difference is, im not God.

I am forced to compromise.
 
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UnderGrace said:
What if we do not want to be quickened, are you saying God overcomes and imposes his will on a person?
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IMPOSES, is pretty strong! But, I can say, that the Creator of your soul, "knows" PRECISELY which "BUTTONS TO PUSH!" And How long to push them! And patiently allowing that person time to "steep!" Before "Pushing them again!" (don't ask me how I know this! But?...it is a true story!)

Now, you are getting into "IRRESISTABLE GRACE!"
 
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