A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM

Sackcloth-N-Ashes · Oct 26, 2018

I agree, my friend.

It would be rather foolish of me to try to delve into God's mind, as it was quickly brought to my mind

33-36 Have you ever come on anything quite like this extravagant generosity of God, this deep, deep wisdom? It’s way over our heads. We’ll never figure it out.
Is there anyone around who can explain God?
Anyone smart enough to tell him what to do?
Anyone who has done him such a huge favor
that God has to ask his advice?
Everything comes from him;
Everything happens through him;
Everything ends up in him.
Always glory! Always praise!
Yes. Yes. Yes.(Romans 11:33-36)

We do not know His mind, and it would be a fool's errand trying to do so.

John146 said:

33-36 Have you ever come on anything quite like this extravagant generosity of God, this deep, deep wisdom? It’s way over our heads. We’ll never figure it out.
Is there anyone around who can explain God?
Anyone smart enough to tell him what to do?
Anyone who has done him such a huge favor
that God has to ask his advice?
Everything comes from him;
Everything happens through him;
Everything ends up in him.
Always glory! Always praise!
Yes. Yes. Yes.(Romans 11:33-36)

Again my friend, it would be a fool's errand to try delving into the Lord's mind.

Sackcloth-N-Ashes · Oct 27, 2018

preacher4truth said:

I have no hard feelings towards him. I was once a King James Bible only believer as well. Thankfully, today I am not.

John146 · Oct 27, 2018

Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:

I agree, my friend.

It would be rather foolish of me to try to delve into God's mind, as it was quickly brought to my mind

33-36 Have you ever come on anything quite like this extravagant generosity of God, this deep, deep wisdom? It’s way over our heads. We’ll never figure it out.
Is there anyone around who can explain God?
Anyone smart enough to tell him what to do?
Anyone who has done him such a huge favor
that God has to ask his advice?
Everything comes from him;
Everything happens through him;
Everything ends up in him.
Always glory! Always praise!
Yes. Yes. Yes.(Romans 11:33-36)

We do not know His mind, and it would be a fool's errand trying to do so.

33-36 Have you ever come on anything quite like this extravagant generosity of God, this deep, deep wisdom? It’s way over our heads. We’ll never figure it out.
Is there anyone around who can explain God?
Anyone smart enough to tell him what to do?
Anyone who has done him such a huge favor
that God has to ask his advice?
Everything comes from him;
Everything happens through him;
Everything ends up in him.
Always glory! Always praise!
Yes. Yes. Yes.(Romans 11:33-36)

Again my friend, it would be a fool's errand to try delving into the Lord's mind.

Scripture also says, we have the mind of Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Does not the word of truth, the holy bible, contain the mind of the Lord?

preacher4truth · Oct 27, 2018

Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:

This has something to do with another issue, not with the KJV issue in this instance.

BBB has called all the Reformed lost. It would be nice to reconcile over that, see him apologize, and then perhaps he would listen to reason and Scripture!

Hevosmies · Oct 27, 2018

preacher4truth said:

Obviously being a calvinist doesnt mean your unsaved. The translators of the KJV were calvinists! Yet the translation contains NO BIAS towards calvinism. Thats a great translation.

Salvation is in Christ Jesus!

Sackcloth-N-Ashes · Oct 27, 2018

preacher4truth said:

William Carey lost a wife, a child or two and it took 7 years to get his first convert to Christianity. He was a Calvinist.
Jonathan Edwards and, if I remember correctly, George Whitefield, were instrumental in the great awakening of their day, and both of them were Calvinists.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, one they gave the title 'the prince of preachers', was an unashamed, unabashed Calvinist.
William Tyndale, who translated the NT and was in the process of translating the OT when he was betrayed by a 'friend' and strangled to death and then burned at the stake, was a Calvinist.

Calvinism is what fuels the ministry, in my opinion.

preacher4truth · Oct 27, 2018

Oh, listen to this biased and absurd "logic:"

Hevosmies said:

Calvinists aren't necessarily unsaved BECAUSE "The translators of the KJV were calvinists!"

Uh, LOL!!!!!!!!!

Actually the doctrines of Grace so-called "Calvinism" is explicit in its texts as in all other popular versions, but are rejected by you and those of your ilk due to being greatly influenced by Finneyism and Sandemanism: a system that has rejected historical and Biblical Christianity.

Of course, but your view of how that works is unbiblical and man-centric, rejecting parts of Scripture, and the nature and character of God you do not like.

BaptistBibleBeliever · Oct 27, 2018

preacher4truth said:

You'll correct me if I am wrong but I do not recall saying that all Calvinists are lost . . . just the ones that have incorporated human merit into their soteriological views. Oh, and then there are the ugly ones.

Then there are those that deny salvation to others who fill up their sin always.

"Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost" (I Thessalonians 2:16).

trofimus · Oct 27, 2018

BaptistBibleBeliever said:

The text is about Jews.

BaptistBibleBeliever · Oct 27, 2018

So that means it can not be applied to Gentiles that act just like the Jewish scholars of that day? What about the school principles of our own day that refuses to let a saved kid witness on the playground? That verse must stand silent in the face of it? I don't believe so.

BaptistBibleBeliever · Oct 27, 2018

trofimus said:

So that means it can not be applied to Gentiles that act just like the Jewish scholars of that day? What about the school principles of our own day that refuses to let a saved kid witness on the playground? That verse must stand silent in the face of it? I don't believe so

trofimus · Oct 27, 2018

BaptistBibleBeliever said:

Jews the text is about are not Christians. Calvinists are. Therefore no, you cannot apply the verse on them.

BaptistBibleBeliever · Oct 27, 2018

trofimus said:

It applies to any group or person that would keep the gospel from the lost whatever label that entity might be residing under.

But yea, the conviction of the Holy Spirit can be pretty rough.

trofimus · Oct 27, 2018

BaptistBibleBeliever said:

First, Calvinists do not keep other people from spreading the gospel. Calvinists did more for the gospel than any other protestant group.

Second, you misuse the verse that has its context about Jews and their final judgement because of their sins.

preacher4truth · Oct 27, 2018

BaptistBibleBeliever said:

OK, I'll correct you: you're wrong. Not only are you wrong, you're not telling the truth. You made no such distinction in the past, and by the way, it is beyond your pay grade to be making such judgments on men's souls.

I highly doubt you understand the text you're paraphrasing. And how dare you paraphrase, anyhow. Use the Queen's English.

Now, of whom did Paul speak?

Sackcloth-N-Ashes · Oct 27, 2018

John146 said:

Do you know what He is thinking?

NayborBear · Oct 27, 2018

The Socinians held to a rationalistic approach to Scripture and to faith. This philosophical approach, especially in regard to biblical doctrine, declares that all religious matters must be fully reconcilable with human reason, and that theological matters pertaining to the nature of God cannot be beyond the finite understanding of the human mind.

1 Corinthians 2
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Mark 12
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, AND with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

"The man?" Sees what he WANTS TO SEE! And, DISREGARDS the rest!

No one is more blind, then he, who WILL not see!

Seeing replies of your being convicted? And, having been so? Think you are the only one who has ever been convicted by the Holy Spirit?

Just wondering!

John146 · Oct 27, 2018

Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:

I have Scripture and the Holy Spirit to guide me.

BaptistBibleBeliever · Oct 27, 2018

John146 said:

Have we not learned anything from these scholars? We can only believe what God wills us to believe. Might as well chuck our Bibles because the obvious meaning of the English means nothing. Gosh, you have the world in John 3:16 referring to 'only the elect' while everywhere else 'world' means . . . <GASP> world.

What chance do we have with their capricious god that only takes pleasure in how many humans he can toy with and throw in hell.

DANG!

Sackcloth-N-Ashes · Oct 27, 2018

John146 said:

But none of us knows His mind, my friend. Not in the manner we know our own.

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