“About The Great Tribulation”
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This generation can mean the generation as a beginning of Adam called the evil generation, natural unconverted man, as in all die . Or it can refer to the generation of Christ as in all will live, those born again .It like saying the written law of God that kills and not one jot or title will not pass away until the new heavens and earth appear.
The great tribulation began when Christ said; it is finished. It was indicated by the rent veil. The rent veil rendered the temple useless. (not one stone left upon another or no stone that has not ben turned over)
It was the time or reformation. The temopral period that God used the flesh of a Jew in various ceremonial laws as shadow that pointed to Christ coming. Its the time of Jacob trouble where Jew and gentile had become one. The Jew losing its special identity to be used in historically true parables. A great tribulation like none before.
It signaled the beginning of the last day, a undetermined amount of time typified by the metaphor "thousand years" . The tribulation continues till the last day .The government has returned to the time period of the Judges again no outward representative . God reining as King not seen.
The Amil position (no literal thousand years) works the best for finding out the spiritual meaning or hidden manna of the signified language of Revelation 20. Turning it into a literal translation only confuses the matter .
Of course Jesus referred to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. (We will leave the interpretation of *generation* for another time.)
AT THE SAME TIME He prophesied about a future third temple in which the Abomination of Desolation would stand in the Holy Place, FOLLOWED BY THE GREAT TRIBULATION.
The Great Tribulation was presented by Christ as a totally unique event -- something which had never happened before nor would ever happen again. And following that there would be a series of cataclysmic cosmic events WHICH HAVE NEVER HAPPENED AS YET and will only happen before the second coming of Christ.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken... (Mt 24:29)
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. (Mk 13:24,25)
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. (Lk 21:25,26)
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (Rev 6:12-14)
Which tells us that Preterism is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE AND TOTAL FANTASY.
AT THE SAME TIME He prophesied about a future third temple in which the Abomination of Desolation would stand in the Holy Place, FOLLOWED BY THE GREAT TRIBULATION.
The Great Tribulation was presented by Christ as a totally unique event -- something which had never happened before nor would ever happen again. And following that there would be a series of cataclysmic cosmic events WHICH HAVE NEVER HAPPENED AS YET and will only happen before the second coming of Christ.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken... (Mt 24:29)
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. (Mk 13:24,25)
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. (Lk 21:25,26)
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. (Rev 6:12-14)
Which tells us that Preterism is ABSOLUTE NONSENSE AND TOTAL FANTASY.
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1) Most of the Wailing Wall was built after the Temple was destroyed. Regardless of when it was built, THE WAILING WALL WAS NEVER A WALL OF THE TEMPLE.
2) Your claim makes Jesus a liar. Jesus said there will not be one stone left onto of another of "these buildings". Where are those buildings now? They were torn down, but some stones still remain on another.
3) Your eschatology is a hopeless mess of nonsense and blasphemy. People who claim Jesus' prophesy is still the future often argue "this generation" is one future generation in which everything Jesus said will come to pass. If part of the temple was destroyed in 70 AD and the rest 2000 years later, that's a longer span than one generation.
You got owned, dude. But, it won't phase you.
2) Your claim makes Jesus a liar. Jesus said there will not be one stone left onto of another of "these buildings". Where are those buildings now? They were torn down, but some stones still remain on another.
3) Your eschatology is a hopeless mess of nonsense and blasphemy. People who claim Jesus' prophesy is still the future often argue "this generation" is one future generation in which everything Jesus said will come to pass. If part of the temple was destroyed in 70 AD and the rest 2000 years later, that's a longer span than one generation.
You got owned, dude. But, it won't phase you.
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I believe "stars shall fall from heaven" to have a figurative, spiritual meaning. You think that makes me guilty of believing "ABSOLUTE NONSENSE AND TOTAL FANTASY. " If I want to avoid nonsense, I'd have to believe that the stars, all suns, of the sky will literally fall from the sky, and that some or all people won't even be killed by that? Excuse me while a barf and laugh at the same time.
Revelation 1:16 that stars refer to angels “The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches...
Revelation 12:4, the stars refer to the evil angels
Genesis 37:9, the stars are Joseph's parents and brothers.
But, those verses must be absolute nonsense and total fantasy, to you. Excuse me while a barf and laugh at the same time, again.
Revelation 1:16 that stars refer to angels “The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches...
Revelation 12:4, the stars refer to the evil angels
Genesis 37:9, the stars are Joseph's parents and brothers.
But, those verses must be absolute nonsense and total fantasy, to you. Excuse me while a barf and laugh at the same time, again.
What is that supposed to mean? It looks like a misquotation of 2 Peter 1:20.
Here are two more:
Mark 13:30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Luke 21:32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Here are two more:
Mark 13:30 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Luke 21:32 “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
I do not think scripture is in reference to the political kingdoms of this world as we did wrestles against the things seen, the temporal (flesh and blood ),
The ceremonial sacrifices as shadows were made to no effect at the renting of the veil .The time period using the Jews in a parable for the previous time period had come to a end . The reformation is still doing its work of building new temples as new creatures made up of many lively stones that does make up the spiritual house of God the church .
We walk by faith (the eternal) not by sight, (the temporal) in respect to the three avenues of this world
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
The ceremonial sacrifices as shadows were made to no effect at the renting of the veil .The time period using the Jews in a parable for the previous time period had come to a end . The reformation is still doing its work of building new temples as new creatures made up of many lively stones that does make up the spiritual house of God the church .
We walk by faith (the eternal) not by sight, (the temporal) in respect to the three avenues of this world
1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
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lol, because the YLT translates it as "birth" because of Matthew 24:3 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+2&version=YLT instead of generation like in https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/Dictionary/viewTopic.cfm?topic=ET0000121,IT0000273,VT0000069 which would agree that they meant the generations of the heavens and the earth from Genesis 2:4...
Yes its not about literal stones. When the veil was rent as the foundation of the temporal temple the stones all fell . The veil which represented the flesh of Christ represented the temporal temple. The reformation came signaled by the words... "it is finished" .
No need to look at literal stones standing in the holy place (the unseen glory of God) No need to take it any farther than the veil, it signaled it was finished. The spiritual house or mansion of many room was made complete .The old testament saints entered in. The beginning of the first resurrection the one we enter in to be absent of the body is to be present with the saints that have gone before us fast asleep or dead asleep waiting for the wake up call on the last day. Rise is our new born again spirits and receive the new incorruptible bodies.
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.Mark 15:37-38
Daniel 5:26 This is the interpretation of the thing: Mene; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
John 19:30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
No need to look at literal stones standing in the holy place (the unseen glory of God) No need to take it any farther than the veil, it signaled it was finished. The spiritual house or mansion of many room was made complete .The old testament saints entered in. The beginning of the first resurrection the one we enter in to be absent of the body is to be present with the saints that have gone before us fast asleep or dead asleep waiting for the wake up call on the last day. Rise is our new born again spirits and receive the new incorruptible bodies.
And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.Mark 15:37-38
Daniel 5:26 This is the interpretation of the thing: Mene; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
John 19:30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
The generation of Christ as the birth of Jesus is in respect to the spiritual seed. or born again seed. It came to its fulfilment in the genealogy of Christ as the Son of man .
The generation of Adam as natural man will continue until the last day. When the new heavens and earth that were created in the beginning (generations plural) will appear the old will go up in smoke.
In Adam, the evil generation (no faith) all die. In Christ the new eternal generation all live.
Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
The generation of Adam as natural man will continue until the last day. When the new heavens and earth that were created in the beginning (generations plural) will appear the old will go up in smoke.
In Adam, the evil generation (no faith) all die. In Christ the new eternal generation all live.
Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;
Ask and ye shall receive
(Mat 12:42 KJV) The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
generation =
G1074 genea ghen-eh-ah'
from (a presumed derivative of) G1085;
a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons).
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(Phil 3:5 KJV) Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Stock = "race"
G1085 genos ghen'-os
from G1096;
"kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective).
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An evil genea is not to be confused with an evil genos which is what the dispen-sensationalists try and pull the wool over the eyes of the unwary.
(Mat 12:42 KJV) The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
generation =
G1074 genea ghen-eh-ah'
from (a presumed derivative of) G1085;
a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons).
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(Phil 3:5 KJV) Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Stock = "race"
G1085 genos ghen'-os
from G1096;
"kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective).
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An evil genea is not to be confused with an evil genos which is what the dispen-sensationalists try and pull the wool over the eyes of the unwary.
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