“About The Great Tribulation”
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Brother,
Given this your exegesis. The very next question that comes to mind would be...
What about the immediate following events that Jesus says will follow?
Have they also taken place?
Below is the scripture I am referring to...
Matthew 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Given this your exegesis. The very next question that comes to mind would be...
What about the immediate following events that Jesus says will follow?
Have they also taken place?
Below is the scripture I am referring to...
Matthew 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
It's absolutely inescapable that Jesus referred to the destruction of the temple that stood in his day, which undeniably happened in 70 AD, before Jesus', "this", generation passed. The Disciples linked the temple's destruction with the "end of the age" and Jesus answered accordingly. All that's left for us is to accept and understand these and surrounding facts.
The Old Covenant started to fade away at the cross, and in 70 AD it came to a full end. Jesus' death ended all purpose of animal sacrifice. The temple's destruction ended all vestiges of legitimate animal sacrifice. Where a priests today sacrificing animals in accordance to the instructions in the law of Moses?
The Old Covenant started to fade away at the cross, and in 70 AD it came to a full end. Jesus' death ended all purpose of animal sacrifice. The temple's destruction ended all vestiges of legitimate animal sacrifice. Where a priests today sacrificing animals in accordance to the instructions in the law of Moses?
Easy:
(Mat 11:16 KJV) But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
(Mat 11:17 KJV) And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
(Mat 11:18 KJV) For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
(Mat 11:19 KJV) The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
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(Mat 23:35 KJV) That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
(Mat 23:36 KJV) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
(Mat 23:37 KJV) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
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(Mat 12:42 KJV) The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
(Mat 11:16 KJV) But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
(Mat 11:17 KJV) And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
(Mat 11:18 KJV) For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
(Mat 11:19 KJV) The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
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(Mat 23:35 KJV) That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
(Mat 23:36 KJV) Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
(Mat 23:37 KJV) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
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(Mat 12:42 KJV) The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
After murdering Christ around 33 AD, the faithless in Jerusalem then started murdering, imprisoning and exiling all Christians (Acts 8:1).
As a result, the Lord abandoned the faithless to their own ways, which led to their revolting against Rome.
This was Gods wrath upon the faithless murderers and persecutors of the faithful (1 Thessalonians 2:16).
Given these facts, how can anyone assume the Lord is providing warning to the faithless murderers in Jerusalem of 70 AD (upon whom His wrath is coming upon to the uttermost) to flee to the mountains? Such is counter intuitive.
Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
1 Thessalonians 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
As a result, the Lord abandoned the faithless to their own ways, which led to their revolting against Rome.
This was Gods wrath upon the faithless murderers and persecutors of the faithful (1 Thessalonians 2:16).
Given these facts, how can anyone assume the Lord is providing warning to the faithless murderers in Jerusalem of 70 AD (upon whom His wrath is coming upon to the uttermost) to flee to the mountains? Such is counter intuitive.
Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
1 Thessalonians 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
The generation that shall not pass away before the end comes, are they who live through and witness all the events described in Mark 13, Luke 21, and Matthew 24.
Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mark 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Luke 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
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Who and when did these nations rise up against other nations, and kingdoms against other kingdoms, prior to 70 AD (Luke 21:10).
Rome had total control, there weren't any nations rising up against other nations, or kingdoms against other kingdoms.
When were these great earthquakes in divers places, and famines, and pestiliences, and fearful sights and great signs from heaven prior to 70 AD (Luke 21:11)? There weren't any of any significance.
Luke 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Rome had total control, there weren't any nations rising up against other nations, or kingdoms against other kingdoms.
When were these great earthquakes in divers places, and famines, and pestiliences, and fearful sights and great signs from heaven prior to 70 AD (Luke 21:11)? There weren't any of any significance.
Luke 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
After Jerusalem falls and is trodden underfoot by the Gentiles (Luke 21:24), there will then appear signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars, and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; along with the sea and waves roaring (Luke 21:25), causing men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking/realizing that things in the future only are going to get worse (Luke 21:26).
Did all these things happen following the 70 AD fall of Jerusalem?
Anyone who says these events did occur, can then read anything they want and make anything they want to fit into any scriptures.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Did all these things happen following the 70 AD fall of Jerusalem?
Anyone who says these events did occur, can then read anything they want and make anything they want to fit into any scriptures.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
I heard an ex-Christian claim Revelation really is nonsense. To futurist Christians, the Bible's eschatology hopelessly esoteric (nonsense) to which they depend on [dishonest] men, like Jack Van Impe, to interpret for them. But, the Bible comes together and makes great sense when one adopts preterism (in the past, usually refereed to with terms like a amillennialism and post-millennialism). I have a very hard time believing there's any such thing as an honest and knowledgeable pastor who isn't a preterist. Many pastors avoid the subject, as to not be guilty of spreading nonsense or of offending those who believe non-preterist nonsense.
Insisting "this generation" doesn't mean the generation present in Jesus' time is pure fantasy.
I repeat, "I have a very hard time believing there's any such thing as an honest and knowledgeable pastor who isn't a preterist." Most non-preterists I talk to know very little about the Bible, and engage in rank nonsense to defend their eschatology - neither is a quality of someone qualified to be a pastor. Mostly, they chant that preterism is pure fantasy, heresy, or "not Bible".
I repeat, "It's absolutely inescapable that Jesus referred to the destruction of the temple that stood in his day, which undeniably happened in 70 AD, before Jesus', 'this', generation passed."
I repeat, "I have a very hard time believing there's any such thing as an honest and knowledgeable pastor who isn't a preterist." Most non-preterists I talk to know very little about the Bible, and engage in rank nonsense to defend their eschatology - neither is a quality of someone qualified to be a pastor. Mostly, they chant that preterism is pure fantasy, heresy, or "not Bible".
I repeat, "It's absolutely inescapable that Jesus referred to the destruction of the temple that stood in his day, which undeniably happened in 70 AD, before Jesus', 'this', generation passed."
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claiming that something is absolutely inescapable one way or another without any scriptural support does not make for a credible case.
when confronted with numerous scriptures clearly indicating a view other than your own is valid, it does not make sense to hold on to some old dogma that contradicts the overwhelming evidence on the matter.
when confronted with numerous scriptures clearly indicating a view other than your own is valid, it does not make sense to hold on to some old dogma that contradicts the overwhelming evidence on the matter.
I said, "It's absolutely inescapable that Jesus referred to the destruction of the temple that stood in his day." If you disagree, it just means you've never read the Bible: Mark 13:1 And as he came out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him, “Look, Teacher, what wonderful stones and what wonderful buildings!” 2 And Jesus said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? There will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”
I read the Bible, it all agrees with my view.
I read the Bible, it all agrees with my view.
Yes, the Lord was referring to the temple of His day along with other of the great buildings that were then standing in Jerusalem, of which He stated: there would come a day in which not one stone would stand on top of another.
Are you aware that the current Wailing wall is part of the foundation to the old temple, of which the stones stand on top of each other?
Yet another item that was not fulfilled in the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem.
Are you aware that the current Wailing wall is part of the foundation to the old temple, of which the stones stand on top of each other?
Yet another item that was not fulfilled in the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem.
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