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[Blik]

I am doing a Genesis study with him, and Revelations which is not yet completed at torahclass.com. I love Tom Bradford, his approach resonates to me and I'm learning so much.

I am SO glad I found someone who loves Tom's commentaries as I do.

Because I am alone in this study I have worried that I am accepting all a MAN says, and I haven't found anything I think is wrong reporting, yet. I yearned for another Christian to study with me for two minds are better than one and we need to accept only God's word.

 

[Blik]

I am doing a Genesis study with him, and Revelations which is not yet completed at torahclass.com. I love Tom Bradford, his approach resonates to me and I'm learning so much.

May I suggest John Klein and Adam Spears book on Revelation when you are done. They live in my town, are well recognized as biblical scholars.

They see this book as purely Jewish with the menorah used to describe to us.

 

[Mountaindude28]

Today I was studying on Cain/Cayin and Abel/Hevel. Cayin in Hebrew means: "to create or to possess" vs Hevel means: "spirit" or "lowly/vanity". What does this mean? We see that Cayin was one to use G-d's creation to "create" more than what G-d had provided (4:17 "he became a city builder....") vs Hevel was content and satisfied with what G-d made and had more of a passive personality. What does this mean? We see that Cayin overpowered Hevel and killed him. Cayin represents today and throughout history, "human advancement" and Hevel represents the "traditional or old school way" (i.e. like agricultural living). We also can see this through the offerings both of them brought. History proves that "technological" advances although can be used for great things, are usually used to destroy traditional and humble ways of living.

Does that mean that Cayin = aggressive and evil and Hevel = passive and loving? No. Cayin = technology shows us that IF we use human advancements to HELP and WORK ALONGSIDE cultural and passive ways of living, the world would be an amazing place.

 

[Mountaindude28]

"Elokim" is name of G-d that is used in creation. Elokim has many meanings, but in this term it is used for "justice/judge" (like in Psalms/Tehillim 82:6). Why did G-d create the world with the name Elokim and not another (i.e. merciful, all-sufficient, His 4 letter Tetragrammaton, etc)? G-d created the world perfectly and in a perfect world, man should be judged according to His deeds as well as the world exists on perfect judgment (i.e. laws of gravity, laws physics, etc.) and if man was and should have been perfect, then he would be judged favourably and there would be no need for mercy. The first time we see H-Shem (the 4 letter Tetragrammaton) is in Genesis 2:4. Why? Why did G-d choose to wait so long to use His Divine 4 letter name? Why didn't He just create the world with it? Because the world still needs to run on justice (i.e. you wouldn't want gravity to give up and have mercy on us or that courts have mercy on all criminals and they all go free on the streets), however G-d would teach the world that He Himself would override His attribute of Judgment with Mercy (for H-Shem = Mercy and His eternal power).

Funny, when Mark 16:19 tells us that Yeshua sits at the "right hand of G-d". Does G-d have a right hand? Is Yeshua literally sitting down on a sit like the Catholics paint him to be? The right side = mercy while the left side = judgment (symbolically), so just as Yeshua says he will be with us until the end of age and he is our bridge to G-d, Yeshua is holding back G-d's judgment (because G-d has to be a just G-d) because of Yeshua's perfection and for the blood that is on the cross.

If you study the book of Jonah and you read chapter 4, you will see that Jonah cries when G-d's "justice attribute" takes away the miracle plant by act of a worm. I think that is the best story to teach about G-d's mercy on sinners and how we could not bare a world with only a Just G-d!

 

[p_rehbein]

If you study the book of Jonah and you read chapter 4, you will see that Jonah cries when G-d's "justice attribute" takes away the miracle plant by act of a worm. I think that is the best story to teach about G-d's mercy on sinners and how we could not bare a world with only a Just G-d!

Tried to look at it. It's not in my Bible. ?

Just wondering, is the "o" key broken on your keyboard?

 

[CharliRenee]

May I suggest John Klein and Adam Spears book on Revelation when you are done. They live in my town, are well recognized as biblical scholars.

They see this book as purely Jewish with the menorah used

Today I was studying on Cain/Cayin and Abel/Hevel. Cayin in Hebrew means: "to create or to possess" vs Hevel means: "spirit" or "lowly/vanity". What does this mean? We see that Cayin was one to use G-d's creation to "create" more than what G-d had provided (4:17 "he became a city builder....") vs Hevel was content and satisfied with what G-d made and had more of a passive personality. What does this mean? We see that Cayin overpowered Hevel and killed him. Cayin represents today and throughout history, "human advancement" and Hevel represents the "traditional or old school way" (i.e. like agricultural living). We also can see this through the offerings both of them brought. History proves that "technological" advances although can be used for great things, are usually used to destroy traditional and humble ways of living.

Does that mean that Cayin = aggressive and evil and Hevel = passive and loving? No. Cayin = technology shows us that IF we use human advancements to HELP and WORK ALONGSIDE cultural and passive ways of living, the world would be an amazing place.

Very interesting insight

 

[Mountaindude28]

Hi there. Ahhhhh see this is why the Bible protects itself so well.

1. The story of Jonah is a heavy story, but you have to abstract the entire book. For example in English, the 1st verse you read is "Jonah is the son of Amittai". Ok G-d, why do I need to know that right? Like thanks for the info? Like who's his mom? LOL.....

Amittai's root word in Hebrew is "emet" (which you would see in Hebrew 10x better) and emet = truth. So Jonah is the son of truth. once you understand this and understand the exact words Jonah uses when "seemingly running away from G-d", you begin to unfold the story better. For example, Yonah is a prophet, why on earth would he believe he could run from G-d? So was he running from G-d or was he running from something else?

In short, Yonah most likely couldn't bare that Nineveh a Gentile/Pagan nation would repent so easily, yet his Israelite brothers never have to such a degree...AND being a prophet he knew that Nineveh = Assyria would attack Israel and cause the destruction of the 1st Temple. So how on earth could Yonah be the one call Nineveh to repentance, let alone looking like a fool by saying the nation will be overturned, yet it never came to pass?

So Yonah is in a lot of distress (I skipped a lot but I am hoping you can see it in the English) and he is a prophet so we cannot underestimate his wisdom and righteousness. See if you get the gist....Yonah wanted G-d to be "Justiful or a Judge" upon Nineveh. He didn't want to see the mercy bestowed on Nineveh. Yonah wanted a world of "Justice" (Elokim). So G-d "broke" the rules of nature (Nature and Elokim = the same value in Gematria too....that's another lesson) to make a "kikayon plant". Yonah being a prophet knew that this came from the mercy of G-d (for Yonah already built himself shade, so he wasn't happy for the shade it provided) and was very happy "Jonah rejoiced over the kikayon" (4:6). So G-d taught Yonah how awesome mercy feels when you receive it. So, then G-d plays the role that Yonah wanted Nineveh to feel..."Justice/Tit for Tat". So G-d had to destroy the plant because, in a world of laws and order, that plant had no right in being there. Once the plant was gone, Yonah being a prophet knew right away what G-d was doing and Jonah wanted his soul's death and said, "Better is my death than my life!". And then G-d concludes with what Jonah had to learn!

2. Out of respect, we not only try and avoid using G-d's name (to avoid misusage of His Holy name) but it also declares that this G-d is The G-d! But....it is a tradition. No need to worry.

 

[p_rehbein]

So, I guess the Holy Bible is not the Word of God? Guess there are several others also? Is that right?

Hmm............

I know the Jews have their Books/Scrolls, but their religion is not the Christian Faith, so their Books/Scrolls, while useful Historically, are not part of the Holy Bible the Christian Faith uses to learn of God.

Now, that may just be me, but, if a person rejects Jesus Christ, I'm kinda gonna reject their books on their religion too.........seems only fair.

 

[Mountaindude28]

All the books are 100% Jewish and the book of Revelation is like reading a very high level of Esoteric writings because John/Yochanan had that gift. John writes just like Ezekiel and Ezekiel put in the wrong hands can be turned upside in a minute. I won't read revelation again until I have a severe understanding of the Torah and all of Yeshua's writings. But in short, everything outside of the Torah, including the NT, has to stem FROM the Torah, for the Torah = The Tree of Life. So if one wants to test their "theories", once must find it in the Torah.

For example, can you find in the "sola scriptura" resurrection of the dead in the Torah? I can find it multiple times now but you won't without understanding Hebrew.

In fact, the Torah has so many "grammatical errors" (as it may seem, i.e. usage of past, present and future tense in the same sentences or missing letters like the "vav"), that one who is purely a Hebrew scholar might disregard such a holy book. However, it is the wisdom of G-d and the understanding passed down through Moshe to reveal such wisdom!

 

[Mountaindude28]

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So, I guess the Holy Bible is not the Word of God? Guess there are several others also? Is that right?

Hmm............

I know the Jews have their Books/Scrolls, but their religion is not the Christian Faith, so their Books/Scrolls, while useful Historically, are not part of the Holy Bible the Christian Faith uses to learn of God.

Now, that may just be me, but, if a person rejects Jesus Christ, I'm kinda gonna reject their books on their religion too.........seems only fair.

You have a perfect point. But try this... what if I told you Jews follow the NT better than most Christians, yet most Orthodox Jews have never opened or even touched a NT. They are more like Yeshua than anyone else. Want an example?

a) Take Shabbat: Every pastor or preachers teach believers to become like the "family in acts". Francis Chan has a whole series dedicated to this very point. It is as if preachers are pleading for people just to be a family (which they should be naturally).

Now take Jews on Shabbat. Do you know that a Jew could fly ANYWHERE in the world and if there is a Jewish community around on Shabbat, they not only will be invited, there will be a feast waiting in anticipation on Friday night, bed ready and all the laws of Shabbat kept very well (Orthodox Jews anyways). For over, because Jews are so well knit and united, they will meet for the first time, yet act like they have been brothers for centuries! Because they read, breathe, eat and study the same Torah and follow the same laws and Jews are so interconnected that name any Jew and they are somehow related to you. Even further...ALL NIGHT IS SINGING PSALMS AND READING TORAH!!! Literally all night and all day on Saturday until Havdalah. No Jew needs to be taught this.

Makes sense because in the book of Acts, the time of Pentecost = Shavuot (Pente = 5 cost = 10 --> 50 days in Greek) (Shavuot is 7 weeks of 7 and of course the 50th day is next) and this is 3 of the Pilgrimage festivals that Jews MUST be in Jerusalem together. That is why Jews were all in the room together that day in Acts.

b) Do you know it is a biblical law (and of course it must be done in love) that a Jew CANNOT charge interest on a loan to a fellow Jew? Not only that, but if a Sabbath Year (Shmita) comes, if the Jew you loaned too cannot pay his debt, you are to erase that debt without asking for anything? Imagine if every Christian did that in church for everyone....lol I barely see loonies being tossed in the baskets on Sunday's, let alone everyone handing out loans to one another. Isn't that true and brotherly love? The exact love Yeshua desired?

c) Look at the IDF (Israeli Defense Force): https://www.prageru.com/videos/israel-worlds-most-moral-army and that amazing moral standards they hold...FOR THEIR ENEMIES...they call their enemies before they attack, they provide hospitality to their enemies andddd they integrate them in their society and even their army! LOL. Yeshua said love your enemy....yup...the IDF is even recognized by seculars on it's amazing morality.

*My point is, anyone, can open their mouth and say, "I believe in Jesus" and their actions are so poor that James would say, "faith without works is DEAD". What does that mean? You can be in the place where people profess to "know" Jesus and be his followers, but that does not equate to living up to what Yeshua commanded. So just like Paul said, the Jews are 1st, just like Yeshua said, "listen to those who sit in the seat of Moshe...just don't do what they (the hypocrites) do" (Matt 23:1-3).

The Jewish literature may not have "Yeshua's" name inscribed all over their books, but if you read them for one minute, you would see that they not only align word for word with the NT and Yeshua's statements (because literally most of Yeshua's words are all announced well before his time either by Moshe, other prophets or Hillel his Rabbi as a child) but they make the NT MORE ALIVE! I understand Yeshua 100x more because of the Torah and the Talmud.

I'll give you a biblical hint in what Christian Theology is (not the people necessarily). Read the story of Yosef/Joseph and even in English you will see the similarities of Joseph and Yeshua. In Judaism one of the two comings of the Messiah is "Mashiach Ben Yosef" and Mashiach Ben David. What does that mean? That in these comings, the Mashiach will live a similar life style as Yosef/Joseph or David. We clearly know from the NT there are 2 comings of Yeshua and we are on the verge of the 2nd, but we can only know more of the 2nd coming, if we examine the 1st and if you study Yosef...you'll see more of what I am saying!

G-d's gems are everywhere!!! "Man shall not live on bread alone, but on EVERY Word that came out of the MOUTH of G-d" (Yeshua restating Moshe when he received the Torah...)

Shalom!

 

[p_rehbein]

Don't misunderstand. I am not criticizing, just asking some questions.

I believe God gave all of us free will, and that means we all are free to choose to believe what we will and what we will not........... For me.......when it comes to Spiritual understanding, guidance, growth, I rely completely on the Word of God through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. All other Books, writings, whatever........are useful on a Historical level, for understanding of the times, and for context. But, they are not what I place my belief in.

Others have the free will to choose as they wish, and that's ok with me. I will respect their right to do so as long as they respect my rights also.

Now, as for the way y'all type God..........the reason I keep asking this of folks is because I have to wonder IF y'all realize what the letters g d represent in America. They are the abbreviation for taking the Lords Name in vain, and when I see it here, I have to scratch my head..........and kinda go...............seriously?

Now, I realize it is traditional for y'all, and that's ok, y'all got the God given right to do what you believe.........but, when I see it used here.........I usually pass right by the post without reading it............

Anyway, thanks for answering my questions

 

[Mountaindude28]

Don't misunderstand. I am not criticizing, just asking some questions.

I believe God gave all of us free will, and that means we all are free to choose to believe what we will and what we will not........... For me.......when it comes to Spiritual understanding, guidance, growth, I rely completely on the Word of God through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. All other Books, writings, whatever........are useful on a Historical level, for understanding of the times, and for context. But, they are not what I place my belief in.

Others have the free will to choose as they wish, and that's ok with me. I will respect their right to do so as long as they respect my rights also.

Now, as for the way y'all type God..........the reason I keep asking this of folks is because I have to wonder IF y'all realize what the letters g d represent in America. They are the abbreviation for taking the Lords Name in vain, and when I see it here, I have to scratch my head..........and kinda go...............seriously?

Now, I realize it is traditional for y'all, and that's ok, y'all got the God given right to do what you believe.........but, when I see it used here.........I usually pass right by the post without reading it............

Anyway, thanks for answering my questions

Hey, you are my brother in Yeshua and I will not take anything poorly, but only with favour! You are right! Like I said, we all have to aim to love, care for one another, grow and give it are all for the G-d and His amazing son. But thank you for the tidbit. I suppose the Star of David looks kind of wrong too when "colts" use it, but that in no way takes away the meaning away. Just like movies use the cross for weird things.

I'm glad I answered some questions. You should re-read Jonah. It is an amazing book and it's short too so easier to grasp!

 

[Blik]

So, I guess the Holy Bible is not the Word of God? Guess there are several others also? Is that right?

I know the Jews have their Books/Scrolls, but their religion is not the Christian Faith, so their Books/Scrolls, while useful Historically, are not part of the Holy Bible the Christian Faith uses to learn of God.

Now, that may just be me, but, if a person rejects Jesus Christ, I'm kinda gonna reject their books on their religion too.........seems only fair.

Accepting Jesus Christ, if it is done true and right, is accepting the Father. Please read what Christ says about this in the gospels.

Reading history and having someone help you relate different scriptures that enhance each other is saying that scripture is the word of God, the absolute truth that we ask Him to help us understand.

To learn how the Jews and gentiles lived and thought at the same time Christ was with us as a man is done to help understand the truth of the gospel, it in no way replaces the gospel.

Anything that adds to or takes away from scripture is not right, history does neither. Instead, it throws light on those who have done this in the past so we are helped to clearly see only the Lord.

Have you heard of the man who turned down help that came to help him in a time of great danger and trouble? He complained to the Lord about His not helping him in his trouble. The Lord listed all the ways He sent help and told him he had been sent help and he turned it down. Saying you need no help in understanding scripture reminds me of this man.

Our world is in trouble, think of all the ways God is sending help for us since 1940's. We aren't to turn it down.

 

[Blik]

You have a perfect point. But try this... what if I told you Jews follow the NT better than most Christians, yet most Orthodox Jews have never opened or even touched a NT. They are more like Yeshua than anyone else. Want an example?
Shalom!

Wow!! You seem to have the words of the Lord in your mind and soul.

Scripture tells us this: Zechariah. 8:23 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”

The Lord never promised us salvation based on our obedience to law, but the Lord does promise us blessings for law obedience. It is interesting to google to find the special blessings this race has had.

 

[Mountaindude28]

Wow!! You seem to have the words of the Lord in your mind and soul.

Scripture tells us this: Zechariah. 8:23 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”

The Lord never promised us salvation based on our obedience to law, but the Lord does promise us blessings for law obedience. It is interesting to google to find the special blessings this race has had.

WOW Blik! Amein. You know I think that's my 2nd time reading that verse and this time it sticks! Powerful verse!

And to your second comment.....PRAISE G-D I'M NOT ALONE LOL!!!! You are 100% on the money! "Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."!!!

You know, studying the Torah is addicting! LOL. A few years ago I would have thought you were nuts to show me the Torah. I'd be like "put that back on the shelf to collect more dust". Now.....WOW...it's like falling in love with G-d!

 

[PyongPing]

...in the bible, have you found any new nuggets that you'd like to share or discuss?

Hello again sister.

Would you like to see some typological to anti-typological material, as Jesus is found through all the scripture?

John 5:39 KJB - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.​

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Psalms 40:7 KJB - Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,​

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Hebrews 10:7 KJB - Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.​

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Luke 24:27 KJB - And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.​

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John 1:45 KJB - Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.​

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Acts 28:23 KJB - And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.​

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Acts 3:18 KJB - But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.​

I have about 18 fully prepared types.

 

[CharliRenee]

Hello again sister.

Would you like to see some typological to anti-typological material, as Jesus is found through all the scripture?

John 5:39 KJB - Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.​

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Psalms 40:7 KJB - Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,​

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Hebrews 10:7 KJB - Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.​

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Luke 24:27 KJB - And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.​

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John 1:45 KJB - Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.​

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Acts 28:23 KJB - And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.​

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Acts 3:18 KJB - But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.​

I have about 18 fully prepared types.

I am studying topologies found in the word as well, so your response fed my soul. Thank you, sis. Ok, now let me say that I enjoyed how you put the verses themselves in your post as it made it easier to read, not popping back and forth from this window to my bible. However, either way is good, as I need to always go read for myself. Thank you for your study time and efforts, again God is so clearly using you and that bright mind of yours.

 

[CharliRenee]

Him name is Tom Bradford and his commentary is given at the "torahclass" site.

I think that if you check the education background of any person you study with and he has connections with what was in the deep sea scrolls you have the most knowledgeable person. Those scrolls opened up history, and through that there is better understanding of the way authors thought about the words they used to express God's messages to them.

May I warn you, many people I have shared this commentary with find Tom too much for them. His work is in depth, bringing lots of proof scriptures and reasons for his interpretations.

Have you studied up on the dead sea scrolls?

 

[PyongPing]

I am studying topologies found in the word as well, so your response fed my soul. Thank you, sis. Ok, now let me say that I enjoyed how you put the verses themselves in your post as it made it easier to read, not popping back and forth from this window to my bible. However, either way is good, as I need to always go read for myself. Thank you for your study time and efforts, again God is so clearly using you and that bright mind of yours.

It will depend on the typology, for if I were to put all of the references in each expanded in forum, some material may take up several pages.

Let me see how they will work. I will start with a small one.

 

[CharliRenee]

It will depend on the typology, for if I were to put all of the references in each expanded in forum, some material may take up several pages.

Let me see how they will work. I will start with a small one.

So onboard