Why Jesus is NOT coming soon

[TheDivineWatermark]

Yep. I agree

Okay, so I see the above (in my post above) to be distinct from the following passage (and its context), so that the following is NOT referring to the time of our Rapture but His Second Coming to the earth:

Luke 12 -

35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;

36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding [Lk19:12,15,17,19's "return" being the other "return" reference]; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

37 Blessed [compare other "BLESSED" references, like Dan12:12 for one example] are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat [this being the "meal" parallel (like Matt8:11 - G347)], and will come forth and serve them.

38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come [note how Rev16:15-16 uses "thief" when referring to Christ's Person at END of trib (distinct from the DOTL time period which arrives like "a thief IN THE NIGHT" [@ BEGINNING of trib])], he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. [ALL "Son of man cometh/coming/shall come/etc" passages refer to His Second Coming to the earth, NOT our Rapture]


At the time of His Second Coming to the earth, they are to be "watching" (for THAT--not the Rapture).

 

[Absolutely]

Okay, so I see the above (in my post above) to be distinct from the following passage (and its context), so that the following is NOT referring to the time of our Rapture but His Second Coming to the earth:

Luke 12 -

35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;

36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding [Lk19:12,15,17,19's "return" being the other "return" reference]; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

37 Blessed [compare other "BLESSED" references, like Dan12:12 for one example] are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat [this being the "meal" parallel (like Matt8:11 - G347)], and will come forth and serve them.

38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come [note how Rev16:15-16 uses "thief" when referring to Christ's Person at END of trib (distinct from the DOTL time period which arrives like "a thief IN THE NIGHT" [@ BEGINNING of trib])], he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. [ALL "Son of man cometh/coming/shall come/etc" passages refer to His Second Coming to the earth, NOT our Rapture]


At the time of His Second Coming to the earth, they are to be "watching" (for THAT--not the Rapture).

Are you talking about a post trib rapture?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Are you talking about a post trib rapture?

No. I'm saying this the time of the commencement of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (promised to Israel, and to which Gentiles [of the tribulation period] will also be "invited"). The MK occurs on the earth, and is not "the MARRIAGE" itself, which will have already taken place by that time. [that is, by His Rev19 "return" to the earth]

None of THESE "saints" in the Lk passage I just quoted [the STILL-LIVING ones among all of them] will ever lift off the earth (they will enter the MK time period as living/mortals). He will be "returning" at that time [post-trib time slot] as an "already-wed Bridegroom" (WITH [G4862 (unioned-with)] His already-wed "Bride/Wife [singular]"--the Bride/Wife [singular] is NOT "the guests [plural]," not "the bridesmaids/virgins [plural]," nor "the servants [plural]" of that particular time period who will go in to the earthly MK time period upon His "return" there [they are not slated for the "Rapture," but they will go into and participate in the promised and prophesied earthly MK ('the righteous'/'ye BLESSED')]).



["when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal--Lk12]

 

[Absolutely]

No. I'm saying this the time of the commencement of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (promised to Israel, and to which Gentiles [of the tribulation period] will also be "invited"). The MK occurs on the earth, and is not "the MARRIAGE" itself, which will have already taken place by that time. [that is, by His Rev19 "return" to the earth]

None of THESE "saints" in the Lk passage I just quoted [the STILL-LIVING ones among all of them] will ever lift off the earth (they will enter the MK time period as living/mortals). He will be "returning" at that time [post-trib time slot] as an "already-wed Bridegroom" (WITH [G4862 (unioned-with)] His already-wed "Bride/Wife [singular]"--the Bride/Wife [singular] is NOT "the guests [plural]," not "the bridesmaids/virgins [plural]," nor "the servants [plural]" of that particular time period who will go in to the earthly MK time period upon His "return" there [they are not slated for the "Rapture," but they will go into and participate in the promised and prophesied earthly MK ('the righteous'/'ye BLESSED')]).



["when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal--Lk12]

Ok,I think we partly agree.
It does not appear to me that those in luke 12 are tribulation saints.

 

[Absolutely]

No. I'm saying this the time of the commencement of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (promised to Israel, and to which Gentiles [of the tribulation period] will also be "invited"). The MK occurs on the earth, and is not "the MARRIAGE" itself, which will have already taken place by that time. [that is, by His Rev19 "return" to the earth]

None of THESE "saints" in the Lk passage I just quoted [the STILL-LIVING ones among all of them] will ever lift off the earth (they will enter the MK time period as living/mortals). He will be "returning" at that time [post-trib time slot] as an "already-wed Bridegroom" (WITH [G4862 (unioned-with)] His already-wed "Bride/Wife [singular]"--the Bride/Wife [singular] is NOT "the guests [plural]," not "the bridesmaids/virgins [plural]," nor "the servants [plural]" of that particular time period who will go in to the earthly MK time period upon His "return" there [they are not slated for the "Rapture," but they will go into and participate in the promised and prophesied earthly MK ('the righteous'/'ye BLESSED')]).



["when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal--Lk12]

Mat 22,rev 19,and the last supper dialog all place the feast in heaven.

 

[Endoscopy]

Well said, a truth that is hard to accept.

But I would go a little further if I may. The Mainline churches have always been against the God of the Bible. If we read what the Prophets have told us, we will see it has always been those who claimed belief in the same God as we, that are the enemy of God's people. Who have the warnings and examples always been about? Who killed Abel? His "Christian" brother. Who looked on the nakedness of Noah? His own son. Who wanted to stone Caleb. The congregation of the Lord. Who hung Jeremiah in a septic tank? God own people. Who tried to kill David? His own King. Who was it that yelled "Crucify Him"? The same folks He came to save. Who stoned Stephen to death? The Mainstream Preachers of his time.

Each time is wasn't the Atheists or heathens that plagued God's People, it was people who claimed to love the same God. Were they just evil people?

Jer. 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

I believe the Prophet Jeremiah, therefore we are all wicked. So why did these things happen?

I think the answer is in the very beginning of His Word.

Gen. 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Is the woman not representative of the Bride of Christ? His church?

Rev. 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Is this not the "woman" who would eventually bring us the Christ?

So the dragon spoke to this woman, but it didn't use it's own words, it used some of the Word's of God. "Hath God not said". I think this is important.

And what was the first thing the serpent deceived Eve with?

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

The very first lie the serpent, using some, not all of God's Words, deceived the "woman" with was "you are saved". You are already immortal, you are already all set. You shall surely not die.

And what was the next thing the dragon deceived the woman with?

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Reject God's Commandment) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The next deception was to convince the "woman, bride, church" that God's instructions were keeping her blind, burdened. They were against her, not in her best interest. That God doesn't want her to be "Free", that God is lying to her. But that if she listens to this "other voice", and rejects His Commandment, only then can she be free, only then will she "SEE" and be like God.

This theme runs through the entire Bible as the great prophet Jeremiah tells us.

Jer. 6:
13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.

I could go on and on because both old and new testaments are full of such warnings.

Matt. 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Remember, the perfect deception is one that looks like the truth.

Good for you DD2. God is faithful to bring you into His Truth if you are willing to accept the "Direction and correction" from His Holy Prophets.

Good for you.

Your assertion about the mainline churches always being against God and the Bible as absolutely wrong. The takeover by secular ministers started in the 1880s and was complete by the 1930s. The sub denominations and independent churches are still preaching the gospel message. For example Presbyterian PCA and Lutheran Missouri Synod still preach the gospel message. I attend an independent church and hear the gospel message every service.

Try with the truth for a change. Things are bad but not that bad yet.

 

[Hevosmies]

Your assertion about the mainline churches always being against God and the Bible as absolutely wrong. The takeover by secular ministers started in the 1880s and was complete by the 1930s. The sub denominations and independent churches are still preaching the gospel message. For example Presbyterian PCA and Lutheran Missouri Synod still preach the gospel message. I attend an independent church and hear the gospel message every service.

Try with the truth for a change. Things are bad but not that bad yet.

I've always wondered why do we preach a salvation message in churches week after week? How many unsaved people are attending?

We should get out there where the lost people are

Luk 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Mat 22,rev 19,and the last supper dialog all place the feast in heaven.

Disagree (as you know).

Daniel [OT saint] was not promised "Rapture". Daniel knew of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (what we today call it), and was told he would "stand in thy lot AT THE END OF THE DAYS [at the END of the days referred to in that Dan12:6,7,1 CONTEXT]". "The Rapture" pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body" (Eph1:20-23 "WHEN"). [not to all other saints of all OTHER time periods: not to OT saints, not to Trib saints, not to MK saints]. "The Church which is His body" was only in existence once [what is explained in] John 7:39 happened. There was not "Body of Christ" without the "HEAD," and not before any member was "baptized into His death/into Christ/into ONE BODY" (i.e. certainly NOT before His death, as you are seeming to want to say).

Daniel will be "resurrected" (that is, to stand again on the earth) FOR the very thing he and other OT saints were promised and was prophesied. Martha knew well of THIS. It was no mystery.

You just have it cemented in your mind that way (re: Matt22, Rev19:7 and v.9, and Lk22:30,16,18 / Matt19:28 / 26:29 / 25:30-34, 25:10), so can't see it any other way (even to try on for size for a few moments, lol).

Rev19:7 is aorist, whereas 19:9 ISN'T.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ When Jesus spoke to them what He did in Matt13:30,39,40,49-50 (and why they were able to ask the later Matt24:3 question of Him), He was addressing the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom ("the age [singular] to come"). That is all they knew of, because that is all that He had spoken with them about, as yet. They knew NOTHING about any notion of "Rapture". Even in His Sermon on the Mount, He'd already said "BLESSED are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (verse 5; and verses 3 and 10 use the phrase "the kingdom OF the heavens" but that is not located up IN [the] Heaven for them to relocate to). None of that was in their heads, when he said the Matt13 thing, and the Olivet Discourse (with their questions pertaining to same).


They were not asking a flawed QUESTION in Acts 1:6 (Jesus did not correct them, after having just spent 40 days with them, after His resurrection, to say something like, "hey, you nincompoops, don't you GET IT YET? 'restoring the kingdom again to Israel' wasn't actually A THING. Going up to HEAVEN is what it REALLY meant!" No. They understood "the age [singular] to come" correctly [this pertained to their promises!]... they just did not understand the TIMING of it. "The end [singular] of the age [singular]" [that which pertains to THEM/ISRAEL (Matt13:30,39,40,49-50 / Matt24:3)] is not "this present age" we are in now ["this present age" pertaining to "the Church which is His body" and concluding at our Rapture])

 

[justpassinthrough]

The vast majority of people who call themselves Christians believe that Jesus could come any second, any minute, any hour, any day, any week, any month. I disagree and here is why.

YOU are not ready. And when I say YOU I don't mean you as an individual, I mean you as part of the universal church from which emerges the Bride of Christ.

What do we see when we look at the church today?

First we see division. Denominations are in competition with each other based on doctrines. They fail to unite to influence towns and cities and states and countries with the gospel. Denominations and doctrinal disagreements are Satan's greatest tool to keep the church divided.

Next we see sin. Yes, the church is full of the same sins found in the world. No wonder the world mocks the church when it is full of the same sins it judges the world for committing.

Another big problem is that people who think of themselves as saints are living the same way as sinners. It's every man for themself and keeping up with the Jonses. "Christian" life is all about trading up to a newer and better and more expensive home or car or cell phone or LED TV or etc. It certainly isn't about sharing all things and not seeking possessions and the pleasures they bring.

Finally the church is utterly failing to realize its earthly responsibility to show the world what life in and with God is all about. For God so loved the world that He sent his Son, Jesus, to save it. This is the ultimate task of Jesus, i.e. to save this world, and the plan is to do this using the church.

Jesus is not coming back to marry a dirty slut lying in a gutter cowering in fear of persecution and begging to be rescued. He is returning to marry a glorious Bride who is standing tall wearing dazzling robes of righteousness which represent good works. She is an overcomer and a conqueror. She is without spot (sinless) and without wrinkle. This word wrinkle comes from a Greek verb meaning to rescue and with the prefix "a" means not needing to be rescued. Wrinkle is a terrible translation.

I believe it will be several years before Jesus can turn His church around and get it headed in the right direction. This will be the reason for the big worldwide economic collapse that's coming. He has to shake up the world and especially those who claim to follow Him.

Jesus Christ will not come as a thief in the night for the Church.


But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:4


JLB

 

[Endoscopy]

I've always wondered why do we preach a salvation message in churches week after week? How many unsaved people are attending?

We should get out there where the lost people are

Luk 14:23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

The problem is the big mainline denominations were being taken over by secular ministers wanting access to the church money starting in the 1880s. Gary North wrote a book called "Crossed Fingers" about Presbyterian USA being taken over by secular ministers in 1932. Presently all of the mainstream denominations are secular. Attend one of them and you get a nice homily without any gospel message. They are wolves in sheep's clothing!!

The sub denominations are still preaching the gospel message.

 

[deardean2]

Jesus Christ will not come as a thief in the night for the Church.


But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:4


JLB

Paul was talking to anointed ones who were turning the world upside down, not to the pathetic denominational churches we see today.

 

[tanakh]

Anyone who believes that Jesus wont return until the Church as a whole is ready will be waiting for him forever. The Church and humanity generally is composed of imperfect individuals that's the main point of it all.

There are two ways that Jesus returns and I'm not talking about pre tribulation raptures. The first is at the second coming
which follows a series of events and signs he warns us about. The second is for us individually which is the only imminent
method he uses. Jesus taught a parable about a man who had barns that wern't big enough for his needs so he decided to
pull them down and build bigger ones. He thought to himself I have everything I want and am 'set up' for many years. I can
eat drink and be merry. The man was fooling himself because that night God required his soul and all his material wealth was left for someone else. None of us know when God requires our soul and he doesn't always wait until when we consider ourselves to be good enough to claim it.

Luke 12:16-21

 

[luigi]

Many scriptures indicate the Lord will return when His church is made clean.
How His church is made clean is through the tribulation.Dan 11:35
This tribulation is also referred to as when the Lord shakes the earth, so that all the things made (false claimers to the faith) may be shaken out; thereby leaving those things that cannot be shaken (they who truly in heart believe in Christs Way). Hebrews 12:26-27
Along with the earth being shaken, the Lord is also shaking heaven.
The shakeout in heaven is when the devil and his angels are cast out into the earth (Revelation 12:9).

Daniel 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Absolutely]

Disagree (as you know).

Daniel [OT saint] was not promised "Rapture". Daniel knew of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (what we today call it), and was told he would "stand in thy lot AT THE END OF THE DAYS [at the END of the days referred to in that Dan12:6,7,1 CONTEXT]". "The Rapture" pertains SOLELY to "the Church which is His body" (Eph1:20-23 "WHEN"). [not to all other saints of all OTHER time periods: not to OT saints, not to Trib saints, not to MK saints]. "The Church which is His body" was only in existence once [what is explained in] John 7:39 happened. There was not "Body of Christ" without the "HEAD," and not before any member was "baptized into His death/into Christ/into ONE BODY" (i.e. certainly NOT before His death, as you are seeming to want to say).

Daniel will be "resurrected" (that is, to stand again on the earth) FOR the very thing he and other OT saints were promised and was prophesied. Martha knew well of THIS. It was no mystery.

You just have it cemented in your mind that way (re: Matt22, Rev19:7 and v.9, and Lk22:30,16,18 / Matt19:28 / 26:29 / 25:30-34, 25:10), so can't see it any other way (even to try on for size for a few moments, lol).

Rev19:7 is aorist, whereas 19:9 ISN'T.

The OT patriarchs are all in heaven now. Jesus went to paradise at his death. He preached the gospel to them and then raised them from the dead. They were seen walking the streets.
He then took them to heaven. (...took captivity captive").
The resurrection at the last day is after the mil and after the last great battle.
That verse in daniel has you omitting all the other verses i am quoting

 

[Absolutely]

Many scriptures indicate the Lord will return when His church is made clean.
How His church is made clean is through the tribulation.Dan 11:35
This tribulation is also referred to as when the Lord shakes the earth, so that all the things made (false claimers to the faith) may be shaken out; thereby leaving those things that cannot be shaken (they who truly in heart believe in Christs Way). Hebrews 12:26-27
Along with the earth being shaken, the Lord is also shaking heaven.
The shakeout in heaven is when the devil and his angels are cast out into the earth (Revelation 12:9).

Daniel 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Tribulation is indeed a purifier.
But not for the wise virgins. They saw no tribulation ( in their waiting for the groom).
Infact,neither did the foolish until AFTER. The groom came and went.
Wow,yet another verification of a pretrib rapture.
I had never considered it before!
...but yes, they were sorta purified by the AC.
It says " they washed their robes", indicating soiled garments.
Solidly a pretrib rapture

 

[Absolutely]

^ When Jesus spoke to them what He did in Matt13:30,39,40,49-50 (and why they were able to ask the later Matt24:3 question of Him), He was addressing the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom ("the age [singular] to come"). That is all they knew of, because that is all that He had spoken with them about, as yet. They knew NOTHING about any notion of "Rapture". Even in His Sermon on the Mount, He'd already said "BLESSED are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (verse 5; and verses 3 and 10 use the phrase "the kingdom OF the heavens" but that is not located up IN [the] Heaven for them to relocate to). None of that was in their heads, when he said the Matt13 thing, and the Olivet Discourse (with their questions pertaining to same).


They were not asking a flawed QUESTION in Acts 1:6 (Jesus did not correct them, after having just spent 40 days with them, after His resurrection, to say something like, "hey, you nincompoops, don't you GET IT YET? 'restoring the kingdom again to Israel' wasn't actually A THING. Going up to HEAVEN is what it REALLY meant!" No. They understood "the age [singular] to come" correctly [this pertained to their promises!]... they just did not understand the TIMING of it. "The end [singular] of the age [singular]" [that which pertains to THEM/ISRAEL (Matt13:30,39,40,49-50 / Matt24:3)] is not "this present age" we are in now ["this present age" pertaining to "the Church which is His body" and concluding at our Rapture])

And yet all through revelation we see Jews and born again saints in heaven DURING the GT.
The disciples actually saw him go up.
He had already told them he was going to the father and they would be with him.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The OT patriarchs are all in heaven now. Jesus went to paradise at his death. He preached the gospel to them and then raised them from the dead. They were seen walking the streets.
He then took them to heaven. (...took captivity captive").
The resurrection at the last day is after the mil and after the last great battle.
That verse in daniel has you omitting all the other verses i am quoting

Are you suggesting that ALL OT saints have been bodily "resurrected" (and that that is what Matthew 27:52-53 is about)?? I disagree. Why does Peter then later say, in Acts 2,

"29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."



No, Matt27:52-53 is NOT about the BODILY resurrection of ALL OT saints now existing BODILY up in Heaven with Christ (presently). Peter was not wrong in what he stated in Acts 2.

Daniel 12:13 refers to what will occur at the END of the trib. Daniel will be present on the earth FOR the promised and PROPHESIED earthly Millennial Kingdom.

 

[Absolutely]

Anyone who believes that Jesus wont return until the Church as a whole is ready will be waiting for him forever. The Church and humanity generally is composed of imperfect individuals that's the main point of it all.

There are two ways that Jesus returns and I'm not talking about pre tribulation raptures. The first is at the second coming
which follows a series of events and signs he warns us about. The second is for us individually which is the only imminent
method he uses. Jesus taught a parable about a man who had barns that wern't big enough for his needs so he decided to
pull them down and build bigger ones. He thought to himself I have everything I want and am 'set up' for many years. I can
eat drink and be merry. The man was fooling himself because that night God required his soul and all his material wealth was left for someone else. None of us know when God requires our soul and he doesn't always wait until when we consider ourselves to be good enough to claim it.

Luke 12:16-21

The first is the rapture.
Mat 25 depicts it vividly.
Show me a single verse depicting a post trib rapture or resurrection.
Just one will do, cause in 40 yrs of study i have never seen one

 

[calibob]

The first is the rapture.
Mat 25 depicts it vividly.
Show me a single verse depicting a post trib rapture or resurrection.
Just one will do, cause in 40 yrs of study i have never seen one

If The Lord wanted us to know when he was returning don't You think he'd of told us? We are all liars and cheats and if most of us knew when he was coming we would know when to repent. He wants us to repent NOW not the day before he returns. It might be a wink from now or it might 1000 years I choose to be ready now. I'd hate to disappoint him or get LEFT BEHIND!