Secession is the only hope for peace in USA.

[Quantrill]

I wish I could but someone has to deal with your false non biblical teachings.

Well if I am teaching anything false then show me. By the way, you do recognize this is the political section don't you? And why, if you are such a Christians as you and everyone is telling me, do you not capitalize 'Biblical'? It is just a small thing I know, but shows a certain respect to God's Word.

Quantrill

 

[abcdef]

Our time in this flesh is very limited.

This world is passing away and we are along with it.

The gospel kingdom, of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit Love is here, salvation is come.

The time of salvation, the time to save souls, by the love, faith, and grace of Jesus is now.

What sacrifice will you bring? Gold? Silver? land? anything? What will you sacrifice, to bring to Jesus?

Pick up your cross and follow me.

You bear the burden of love for all souls unto death as Jesus did! You sacrifice yourself, your ego, money, food, and comforts, so that souls will know the love of Jesus and come to Him. If he asks for your shirt, give him your coat also.

You will be hurt and feel great pain in you heart and soul from people who just don't understand until they are born again, as children in the Spirit.

You love your enemy, who has not known the Holy Spirit of love for all souls so that they may be saved. Our time to show love and save souls with Jesus , share in His glory, is running out.

The soul of your enemy is on YOUR heart. You are responsible to show love toward him even though he doesn't show it to you. Because he doesn't know Jesus and You Do. We will soon face Him, get ready to look into the eyes of love, pure love, pure love that no man can see His face and live. You are about to see it, get ready.

Jesus doesn't care about gold and silver, it all belongs to Him. It is the souls that we bring with us for eternity.

How many souls will be saved without the Holy Spirit of love? None. (What method are you using?)

Come to Jesus, come to Jesus and His love for all souls now, while there is still time.

Satan is lying to you, saying that the ways of hate are better, but they will end in suffering and death. For you and the ones you care about.

The ways of love are better, they lead to eternal life.

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[Quantrill]

Our time in this flesh is very limited.

This world is passing away and we are along with it.

The gospel kingdom, of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit Love is here, salvation is come.

The time of salvation, the time to save souls, by the love, faith, and grace of Jesus is now.

What sacrifice will you bring? Gold? Silver? land? anything? What will you sacrifice, to bring to Jesus?

Pick up your cross and follow me.

You bear the burden of love for all souls unto death as Jesus did! You sacrifice yourself, your ego, money, food, and comforts, so that souls will know the love of Jesus and come to Him. If he asks for your shirt, give him your coat also.

You will be hurt and feel great pain in you heart and soul from people who just don't understand until they are born again, as children in the Spirit.

You love your enemy, who has not known the Holy Spirit of love for all souls so that they may be saved. Our time to show love and save souls with Jesus , share in His glory, is running out.

The soul of your enemy is on YOUR heart. You are responsible to show love toward him even though he doesn't show it to you. Because he doesn't know Jesus and You Do. We will soon face Him, get ready to look into the eyes of love, pure love, pure love that no man can see His face and live. You are about to see it, get ready.

Jesus doesn't care about gold and silver, it all belongs to Him. It is the souls that we bring with us for eternity.

How many souls will be saved without the Holy Spirit of love? None. (What method are you using?)

Come to Jesus, come to Jesus and His love for all souls now, while there is still time.

Satan is lying to you, saying that the ways of hate are better, but they will end in suffering and death. For you and the ones you care about.

The ways of love are better, they lead to eternal life.

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And what does that have to do with the subject at hand?

Quantrill

 

[abcdef]

And what does that have to do with the subject at hand?

Quantrill

EVERYTHING!

What church group do you attend?

Are you born again? Do you know what being born again is?

Have you been immersed in the name of Jesus?

You became a Christian because the love of Jesus touched your heart? Where is your love for God and souls now?

Can you answer?

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[Quantrill]

EVERYTHING!

What church group do you attend?

Are you born again? Do you know what being born again is?

Have you been immersed in the name of Jesus?

You became a Christian because the love of Jesus touched your heart? Where is your love for God and souls now?

Can you answer?

---------------------------------

Again, you recognize you are in the political section of the forum. Thus, you say your post had everything to do with the matter at hand but in reality it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

My church group has nothing to do with the topic. My being born-again has nothing to do with the topic. My being baptized has nothing to do with the topic. My love of God and love of souls has nothing to do with the topic.

But to answer you anyway, the church I affiliate with is none of your business. Ask me again, and I will give you the same answer. Yes I am born-again, and have been baptized.

What you display as the love of God and love for souls does not impress me. Thus I am not interested in your last question as what you and I see is love is not the same.

Quantrill

 

[abcdef]

Again, you recognize you are in the political section of the forum. Thus, you say your post had everything to do with the matter at hand but in reality it has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

The matter at hand is that you believe a lie that just isn't true.

Americans don't hate each other. millions live in peace with their differences every day. They travel north, south, east, and west, and get along just fine.

My church group has nothing to do with the topic.

I just wondered if their was some group that agreed with you on the subject. Do you have black, or Mexicans in your congregation? Do you hate them?

My being born-again has nothing to do with the topic.

Oh yea, everything. How many souls have you saved telling them that some people out west might not like you? Wait, I mean out east. Oh wait, I mean outside the B belt. Oh wait, you said north, ha, ha.

What about when people from up north come south on vacation? Or people from the south, who go north for the summer?

Nobody is hating, just you.

My being baptized has nothing to do with the topic.

I just wondered if you were a real Christian.

My love of God and love of souls has nothing to do with the topic.

It has everything to do with your attitude towards people that you don't even know. Kind of a blind hate.

But to answer you anyway, the church I affiliate with is none of your business. Ask me again, and I will give you the same answer.

Is that cause you don't really attend church?

Yes I am born-again, and have been baptized.

Strange, you don't speak with the spirit of love for all.

What you display as the love of God and love for souls does not impress me.

There are some who harden their heart towards God and their fellow souls.

Thus I am not interested in your last question as what you and I see is love is not the same.

Quantrill

Well you can repent of your hard heart as long as there is life in your body.

Those you have pushed away from Jesus with your accusations and hard heart, will stand with you in the judgment and witness to your opposition to His love.

They were thirsty for love, you gave them none. They were hungry for food, you gave them none. They were strangers, you did not take them not in. (Because they were from the north, or where ever, and non-whites.)

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I know many loving people from Texas and have been there many times attending church.

But I have never met anyone in Texas, in church, or other places there who compares with you and your dividing and discrimination.

No wonder they are removing the statues, they remind people of you and people like you!

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[Quantrill]

The matter at hand is that you believe a lie that just isn't true.

Americans don't hate each other. millions live in peace with their differences every day. They travel north, south, east, and west, and get along just fine.




I just wondered if their was some group that agreed with you on the subject. Do you have black, or Mexicans in your congregation? Do you hate them?




Oh yea, everything. How many souls have you saved telling them that some people out west might not like you? Wait, I mean out east. Oh wait, I mean outside the B belt. Oh wait, you said north, ha, ha.

What about when people from up north come south on vacation? Or people from the south, who go north for the summer?

Nobody is hating, just you.




I just wondered if you were a real Christian.




It has everything to do with your attitude towards people that you don't even know. Kind of a blind hate.




Is that cause you don't really attend church?




Strange, you don't speak with the spirit of love for all.




There are some who harden their heart towards God and their fellow souls.




Well you can repent of your hard heart as long as there is life in your body.

Those you have pushed away from Jesus with your accusations and hard heart, will stand with you in the judgment and witness to your opposition to His love.

They were thirsty for love, you gave them none. They were hungry for food, you gave them none. They were strangers, you did not take them not in. (Because they were from the north, or where ever, and non-whites.)

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I know many loving people from Texas and have been there many times attending church.

But I have never met anyone in Texas, in church, or other places there who compares with you and your dividing and discrimination.

No wonder they are removing the statues, they remind people of you and people like you!

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Do you have anything of substance to add to the discussion? You're opinion of me matters not to me. Try and address the topic.

Quantrill

 

[Jennie-Mae]

I think it’s difficult for people that ain’t Southern born and bred to get what this is about.

Traumatizing experiences can be running through the generations for decades and maybe even centuries.

In the South a lot of people fought that war. People that had absolutely nothing to do with slaves or anything else that war was about.

But it became their war too because they were the ones who were slaughtered and wounded out on the killing fields.

Nobody gave a d**** about them after the war. They were ridiculed and many suffered from mental illnesses due to what they had been through. Alcoholism was almost mandatory.

They had nothing. They had lost. They were considered trash.

In the years to follow they were clinging to what little they had left. Symbols, flags, songs. They were not perfect. They took their miseries out on the people weaker than them, the black people.

But try to understand why this means so much to us. And for sure, taking down the symbols ain’t something us folks down home want, we’ve seen our fair share of modern day carpetbaggers comin south to let us folks know what kinda sorry, no good bigots we are and to teach us how to have the correct opinions. Teachers comin from the north to teach the kids that they should be ashamed of themselves. This directed at the people starting all them wars? No sir, just us common folks need reconstruction, and we have learned to look down on ourselves...what we believe, how we talk, who we are.

They ain’t gonna stop.

 

[abcdef]

I think it’s difficult for people that ain’t Southern born and bred to get what this is about.

Ask any nation, anywhere, what it is like to be in a war, lose a war. Ask the UK and France (100 yr war), Germany and Poland, ask the Ukrainians and Russians.

The Russians lost a million men in Stalingrad in WW 2, you would think that they would have learned the cost. How many are dying, women and children, because Czar Putin has dreams of the conquest of peace loving families? How many Russian young men must die for Czar Putin's worldly Empire dreams?

How many died, even 70 years ago, 30 years ago, yesterday and today, not 150 years. You are not alone in your suffering in this world.

But you are upset because some one calls you names, of teases you? Go to Syria and see what real suffering is, that is something to be upset about, in the immediate sense.

Bullies will always find something to use against you. Maybe your color, religion, nationality or view point, always something, sigh.

It's the spirit of the matter. Bullies against lovers.

--------------------------------

 

[Jennie-Mae]

One thing is a war that unites the people. A war that makes patriotism flourish. A war that the country as a whole has a similar relationship with.

Another thing is the civil wars. Fighting against your friends and neighbors, fighting against your kinfolks.

No, it ain’t got nothing to do with being teased or name calling, it’s a war that ended so many lives, and ruined even more for a mighty long time.

Syria is comparable. It’ll take generations to overcome the experiences of that war. The big difference is that the folks in the South had nowhere to go. They couldn’t escape. They had to await what the victorious ones would rule. And they did rule.

The major problem was that the northern government made the war solely a question about slaves. That was cunning. It made the South come across as the evil empire that deserved no mercy.

It’s always somebody suffering more than others. But that kind of logic makes a healing process difficult.

We don’t hate anybody, we just want some respect for what we are. I’m not in favor of a secession, but it would be wise to realize how strongly a lot of folks are feeling about this.

I see much denial on here. Folks saying “it ain’t like that”, but that’s not true. Many folks are feeling that they are being nullified. Folks like that will inevitably be destabilizing society at some point.

Folks lack patience, that is one of the reasons why the country is so divided. Both Obama and Trump are symptoms of an impatient society. Both the liberals and the conservatives are too hung up in swift changes in the country.

 

[Quantrill]

I think it’s difficult for people that ain’t Southern born and bred to get what this is about.

Traumatizing experiences can be running through the generations for decades and maybe even centuries.

In the South a lot of people fought that war. People that had absolutely nothing to do with slaves or anything else that war was about.

But it became their war too because they were the ones who were slaughtered and wounded out on the killing fields.

Nobody gave a d**** about them after the war. They were ridiculed and many suffered from mental illnesses due to what they had been through. Alcoholism was almost mandatory.

They had nothing. They had lost. They were considered trash.

In the years to follow they were clinging to what little they had left. Symbols, flags, songs. They were not perfect. They took their miseries out on the people weaker than them, the black people.

But try to understand why this means so much to us. And for sure, taking down the symbols ain’t something us folks down home want, we’ve seen our fair share of modern day carpetbaggers comin south to let us folks know what kinda sorry, no good bigots we are and to teach us how to have the correct opinions. Teachers comin from the north to teach the kids that they should be ashamed of themselves. This directed at the people starting all them wars? No sir, just us common folks need reconstruction, and we have learned to look down on ourselves...what we believe, how we talk, who we are.

They ain’t gonna stop.

Good words. I would like to say this. We lost the war in 1861-1865. We literally had no chance to win. The South's main hope was to draw the war out to make it so bitter to the north that they would allow our secession.

But, we recouped our losses during the days of reconstruction. The Federal government put us under marshal law for 12 years, yet in the end, it was the yankees and carpet baggers getting the hell out of dodge as we again took control of our country. Instead of fighting in open warfare, we went guerilla. Which is what you have to do when against overwhelming odds. Which is what Quantrill did during the war, and which is why the yankees hated him.

And of course this is why the war continues to this day. Because we won and placed our monuments and flags across our country, the yankees, using the freed blacks, have ever been on the mission of tearing them down.

What the ignorant yankees, and NAACP and carpet baggers don't realize, is you can take down all our monuments you want. You haven't changed our minds. You haven't defeated us. We can make more monuments, put them on private property and invite all Southernors to come and enjoy. We still teach our kids the truth of the war. Taking down our monuments has not changed us at all.

I am sure you are probably familiar with it, as most Southernors are, the song "Oh I'm a Good Ole Rebel" . If not check out 'Oh I'm a Good Ol Rebel' by Bobby Horton. That is our national song.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Ask any nation, anywhere, what it is like to be in a war, lose a war. Ask the UK and France (100 yr war), Germany and Poland, ask the Ukrainians and Russians.

The Russians lost a million men in Stalingrad in WW 2, you would think that they would have learned the cost. How many are dying, women and children, because Czar Putin has dreams of the conquest of peace loving families? How many Russian young men must die for Czar Putin's worldly Empire dreams?

How many died, even 70 years ago, 30 years ago, yesterday and today, not 150 years. You are not alone in your suffering in this world.

But you are upset because some one calls you names, of teases you? Go to Syria and see what real suffering is, that is something to be upset about, in the immediate sense.

Bullies will always find something to use against you. Maybe your color, religion, nationality or view point, always something, sigh.

It's the spirit of the matter. Bullies against lovers.

--------------------------------

What an ignorant post. Destroying our monuments and flags is not teasing. How stupid a statement you make.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

One thing is a war that unites the people. A war that makes patriotism flourish. A war that the country as a whole has a similar relationship with.

Another thing is the civil wars. Fighting against your friends and neighbors, fighting against your kinfolks.

No, it ain’t got nothing to do with being teased or name calling, it’s a war that ended so many lives, and ruined even more for a mighty long time.

Syria is comparable. It’ll take generations to overcome the experiences of that war. The big difference is that the folks in the South had nowhere to go. They couldn’t escape. They had to await what the victorious ones would rule. And they did rule.

The major problem was that the northern government made the war solely a question about slaves. That was cunning. It made the South come across as the evil empire that deserved no mercy.

It’s always somebody suffering more than others. But that kind of logic makes a healing process difficult.

We don’t hate anybody, we just want some respect for what we are. I’m not in favor of a secession, but it would be wise to realize how strongly a lot of folks are feeling about this.

I see much denial on here. Folks saying “it ain’t like that”, but that’s not true. Many folks are feeling that they are being nullified. Folks like that will inevitably be destabilizing society at some point.

Folks lack patience, that is one of the reasons why the country is so divided. Both Obama and Trump are symptoms of an impatient society. Both the liberals and the conservatives are too hung up in swift changes in the country.

I'm sure you have done your own studies in our history. Have you ever read 'The South Was Right' by the Kennedy brothers? If not, you should, because the South was right in what it fought for.

Quantrill

 

[abcdef]

One thing is a war that unites the people. A war that makes patriotism flourish. A war that the country as a whole has a similar relationship with.

Nations of this world are built on hate and greed, it is all around us to the end. That is how Hitler deceived the good people of Germany.

We are translated into a new kingdom that is not of this world. We still have to live here, with the people who are not in the kingdom, living among the worldly nations, but we are not with them in there battle centered on the things of this world.

As Christians we must make a choice, be united with the people of this world, or be born again into a world, a kingdom where God is love. Not looking at souls after the flesh, seeing the spirit, the salvation of the soul, Jew or Greek.

Another thing is the civil wars. Fighting against your friends and neighbors, fighting against your kinfolks.

Let's see, 300 years ago, your relative punched my relative.

Where does the anger and hate stop? When you are translated into the kingdom of love and forgiveness by the Holy Spirit.

No, it ain’t got nothing to do with being teased or name calling, it’s a war that ended so many lives, and ruined even more for a mighty long time.

620,000 dead, in today's world, millions. What cause would be worth it? But that will not stop the worldly with hard hearts.

Syria is comparable. It’ll take generations to overcome the experiences of that war. The big difference is that the folks in the South had nowhere to go. They couldn’t escape. They had to await what the victorious ones would rule. And they did rule.

How many people who died in the American civil war, did you know personally? You have met them? Are those people alive and ruling today? The people from 150 years ago? They are all dead! Why attack innocent people of today who are not those people?

Some are angry and vengeful towards people that they have never met, didn't know, who have been dead for almost 100 years now, killed by others that they never have known. It will continue in the hearts of people all around the world, the spirit that says, "Hate those who you do not know," Until the soul finds the love and forgiveness that Jesus brings in the kingdom.

The major problem was that the northern government made the war solely a question about slaves. That was cunning. It made the South come across as the evil empire that deserved no mercy.

We weren't there. Are you responsible in any way for what happened? No. Why do you think that you should carry any responsibility for those events?

Because some insensitive bullies try to make it seem that way? We weren't there, not even close. Stop letting bullies take control of your heart, and making you feel guilty over things that you had nothing to do with and are not personally involved in from 150 years ago. They will ALWAYS be there.

It’s always somebody suffering more than others. But that kind of logic makes a healing process difficult.

Evil men with hearts full of pride bring suffering to all. But we can't let them have control over our love, we must be people with love in our hearts even though the world wants us to be like them.

We don’t hate anybody, we just want some respect for what we are. I’m not in favor of a secession, but it would be wise to realize how strongly a lot of folks are feeling about this.

I have always looked at the war as between brothers. War is the enemy, not the brother.

The flags and monuments should be preserved, or taken down, as the local people see fit.

I have always enjoyed the statues and the people they represent, but there are some who have turned those symbols of great men, into symbols of hate and division. If those great men could speak to us today, I believe that they would say, "Never let what happened to us, this nation, ever happen to this nation, or any nation ever again."

I see much denial on here. Folks saying “it ain’t like that”, but that’s not true. Many folks are feeling that they are being nullified. Folks like that will inevitably be destabilizing society at some point.

Remember that there are tares among the wheat. Foreign enemies who are lying, trying to divide the free world. Pretending to be something that they are not. They are encouraging the bullies.

Folks lack patience, that is one of the reasons why the country is so divided.

The world is not patient, but we must have the patience of eternity, having faith in love through the preaching of the gospel.

Both Obama and Trump are symptoms of an impatient society. Both the liberals and the conservatives are too hung up in swift changes in the country.

I remember when leaders were respectful of each other and other souls.

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[Peaceful]

Does any body besides you and I know who your screen name is after? A murdering pro. Dixie terrorist thug.

May we then presume they are trolling?

Every now and then the S word hits media. California seceeded but not officially. They're so away from what it means to be a state in the union that they should be fully released from the Fed. . Pull out ICE, all federal officials, and close the banks.
Most people that invoke the need to run, secede, don't know anything about what secession entails. But it sounds good when it seems like politics are sending the whole country to Hell in a handbasket.

Rest his soul and damn his murderer, Justice Scalia wrote briefly about this issue. It I think is worthy of note again and now.

Scalia: ‘No Right To Secede’
By: Lew Rockwell|Published on: Feb 19, 2010
So many official conservatives fall into the category of double agents for the regime: Sarah Palin, Dick Armey, Glenn Beck, and so on. And here Antonin Scalia denies secession. He is replying to a screenwriter’s query about a possible court case on secession:

I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, “one Nation, indivisible.”) Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit.
I am sure that poetic license can overcome all that — but you do not need legal advice for that. Good luck with your screenplay.​

Scalia is a reliable supporter of presidential dictatorship, the police state, the torture-warfare state, and the empire. He’s also a close friend and ally of Dick Cheney’s, whom he elected vice president. Now, Scalia says some good things. That is essential to being an effective double agent. But not on the core issues of state power. However, I do appreciate his clarity here, and his correct description of the purpose of the socialist pledge. (Thanks to Bret Moore)

 

[Peaceful]

I'm sure you have done your own studies in our history. Have you ever read 'The South Was Right' by the Kennedy brothers? If not, you should, because the South was right in what it fought for.

Quantrill

Start a Civil War thread. Don't derail your own that is about secession.

 

[Quantrill]

Nations of this world are built on hate and greed, it is all around us to the end. That is how Hitler deceived the good people of Germany.

We are translated into a new kingdom that is not of this world. We still have to live here, with the people who are not in the kingdom, living among the worldly nations, but we are not with them in there battle centered on the things of this world.

As Christians we must make a choice, be united with the people of this world, or be born again into a world, a kingdom where God is love. Not looking at souls after the flesh, seeing the spirit, the salvation of the soul, Jew or Greek.




Let's see, 300 years ago, your relative punched my relative.

Where does the anger and hate stop? When you are translated into the kingdom of love and forgiveness by the Holy Spirit.




620,000 dead, in today's world, millions. What cause would be worth it? But that will not stop the worldly with hard hearts.




How many people who died in the American civil war, did you know personally? You have met them? Are those people alive and ruling today? The people from 150 years ago? They are all dead! Why attack innocent people of today who are not those people?

Some are angry and vengeful towards people that they have never met, didn't know, who have been dead for almost 100 years now, killed by others that they never have known. It will continue in the hearts of people all around the world, the spirit that says, "Hate those who you do not know," Until the soul finds the love and forgiveness that Jesus brings in the kingdom.




We weren't there. Are you responsible in any way for what happened? No. Why do you think that you should carry any responsibility for those events?

Because some insensitive bullies try to make it seem that way? We weren't there, not even close. Stop letting bullies take control of your heart, and making you feel guilty over things that you had nothing to do with and are not personally involved in from 150 years ago. They will ALWAYS be there.




Evil men with hearts full of pride bring suffering to all. But we can't let them have control over our love, we must be people with love in our hearts even though the world wants us to be like them.




I have always looked at the war as between brothers. War is the enemy, not the brother.

The flags and monuments should be preserved, or taken down, as the local people see fit.

I have always enjoyed the statues and the people they represent, but there are some who have turned those symbols of great men, into symbols of hate and division. If those great men could speak to us today, I believe that they would say, "Never let what happened to us, this nation, ever happen to this nation, or any nation ever again."




Remember that there are tares among the wheat. Foreign enemies who are lying, trying to divide the free world. Pretending to be something that they are not. They are encouraging the bullies.




The world is not patient, but we must have the patience of eternity, having faith in love through the preaching of the gospel.




I remember when leaders were respectful of each other and other souls.

--------------------------

More ignorance. You speak of 'we as Christians'. The South was the most Christian people in the country during that war. The north had long since turned to a social gospel, even denying the deity of Jesus Christ. They turned to a transcendentalism religion. And you speak of 'we Christians'. We Christians were fighting in the South against a false Christianity that the north represented.

Do your homework. Offer something of substance.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Start a Civil War thread. Don't derail your own that is about secession.

I was speaking to one who had already responded. Save your advice for another.

Quantrill

 

[Peaceful]

I was speaking to one who had already responded. Save your advice for another.

Quantrill

Who sprinkled you with grumpy dust?
I gave my advice precisely to the one I intended to read it. There's a rule in forums about staying on topic. Derailing your own makes you look silly.
Save your bad attitude for someone who shall read you further. You don't have a right to be paid attention.

 

[Quantrill]

May we then presume they are trolling?

Every now and then the S word hits media. California seceeded but not officially. They're so away from what it means to be a state in the union that they should be fully released from the Fed. . Pull out ICE, all federal officials, and close the banks.
Most people that invoke the need to run, secede, don't know anything about what secession entails. But it sounds good when it seems like politics are sending the whole country to Hell in a handbasket.

Rest his soul and damn his murderer, Justice Scalia wrote briefly about this issue. It I think is worthy of note again and now.

Scalia: ‘No Right To Secede’
By: Lew Rockwell|Published on: Feb 19, 2010
So many official conservatives fall into the category of double agents for the regime: Sarah Palin, Dick Armey, Glenn Beck, and so on. And here Antonin Scalia denies secession. He is replying to a screenwriter’s query about a possible court case on secession:

I am afraid I cannot be of much help with your problem, principally because I cannot imagine that such a question could ever reach the Supreme Court. To begin with, the answer is clear. If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, “one Nation, indivisible.”) Secondly, I find it difficult to envision who the parties to this lawsuit might be. Is the State suing the United States for a declaratory judgment? But the United States cannot be sued without its consent, and it has not consented to this sort of suit.​

I am sure that poetic license can overcome all that — but you do not need legal advice for that. Good luck with your screenplay.​

Scalia is a reliable supporter of presidential dictatorship, the police state, the torture-warfare state, and the empire. He’s also a close friend and ally of Dick Cheney’s, whom he elected vice president. Now, Scalia says some good things. That is essential to being an effective double agent. But not on the core issues of state power. However, I do appreciate his clarity here, and his correct description of the purpose of the socialist pledge. (Thanks to Bret Moore)

The right to secededid exist in 1861. After the war the yankees loaded the Supreme Court, a real kangaroo court, made laws that furtherd their cause, and forced the defeated South to accept it. That is where your 'no right to seced' comes from.

Quantrill