Not By Works

[Jewel5712]

And you keep being told that GOD judged him; it is in God's Word.

For some reason, you stubbornly refuse to admit it.

Do you think EVERY thought..word action there EVER was is in the Bible? No or it would be volumes of books..maybe it wasnt a NECESSITY for us to know or not??

 

[Jewel5712]

Sorry ladies, my heart ixn't big enough to care about Judas.

Lol..obviously..lol..i have compassion for people no matter how lost they are..

 

[Jewel5712]

Jewel, the Scripture was on the template. If you do not know how denying God and Jesus Christ is a sin in the first place, how can you understand any of the gospel message? We are born in rebellion against God, pride was and is the downfall of man, because those who refuse to believe usually do so out of the pride of life: the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing. They think they know better.

So..again..please show me the scripture where it says denying Christ is the unforgivable sin? Thanks

 

[VCO]

Dying without Christ is the unforgivable sin.

That is because the HOLY SPIRIT is trying to everyone to Believe in Christ the Creator.

That is why Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is rejecting the Work of the Holy Spirit to get you to BELIEVE.

That is the ONE and ONLY unforgivable sin.

What about people who have NEVER heard about CHRIST? They are Still without Excuse.


Romans 1:18-22 (HCSB)
18 For God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all godlessness and unrighteousness of people who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth,
19 since what can be known about God is evident among them, because God has shown it to them.
20 For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.
21 For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools

Luke 12:10 (NKJV)
10 And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.

 

[calibob]

I'm just a sinner saved by grace but I do have my limits. Judas iscariots eternal well being is not on my radar.

 

[Magenta]

So..again..please show me the scripture where it says denying Christ is the unforgivable sin? Thanks

Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." If you die without Christ, you pass into the second death at the end of this age, because your sins are not covered by the shed righteous blood of Christ. That is blasphemy, denying the work of God, Who sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. It is the crux of the gospel message. I am surprised you do not understand this.

 

[Jewel5712]

That is because the HOLY SPIRIT is trying to everyone to Believe in Christ the Creator.

That is why Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is rejecting the Work of the Holy Spirit to get you to BELIEVE.

That is the ONE and ONLY unforgivable sin.

What about people who have NEVER heard about CHRIST? They are Still without Excuse.


Romans 1:18-22 (HCSB)
18 For God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all godlessness and unrighteousness of people who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth,
19 since what can be known about God is evident among them, because God has shown it to them.
20 For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.
21 For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools

Luke 12:10 (NKJV)
10 And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.

.sooo..if we just need the working of the HS in us to become saved (hense your comment bout ones that have never heard arent excused) why the purpose of pastors..missionaries..or even the Bible..if all we needed was the HS we dont need anything else then right?

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Can dying without Christ be forgiven?

 

[calibob]

.sooo..if we just need the working of the HS in us to become saved (hense your comment bout ones that have never heard arent excused) why the purpose of pastors..missionaries..or even the Bible..if all we needed was the HS we dont need anything else then right?

We need Jesus first. He sends the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jewel5712]

Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." If you die without Christ, you pass into the second death at the end of this age, because your sins are not covered by the shed righteous blood of Christ. That is blasphemy, denying the work of God, Who sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. It is the crux of the gospel message. I am surprised you do not understand this.

Well..with this standard..ALL unsaved are unknowingly blasheming the HS n sinning (even though unaware) and committing the unfirgivable sin..so if theyre already in a state of unforgiveness WHATS the purpose of Jesus death? The unsaved HAVE to be able to be forgiven to enter into salvation etc How can you be geld accountable for something youre unaware of?

 

[calibob]

Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent." If you die without Christ, you pass into the second death at the end of this age, because your sins are not covered by the shed righteous blood of Christ. That is blasphemy, denying the work of God, Who sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. It is the crux of the gospel message. I am surprised you do not understand this.

Just replace denying with refusing.

 

[Jewel5712]

Can dying without Christ be forgiven?

This also comes to "age of accountability"..an act of denail is a person having a FULL UNDERSTANDING of christ but still not accepting Him BUT GOD IS PATIENT that NONE would be lost and have a chance to BE FORGIVEN and saved..

 

[Jewel5712]

Just replace denying with refusing.

Peter denied Christ three times..did HE blaspheme the HS and commit the unfirgivable sin? No..

 

[Jewel5712]

ALL SIN IS FORGIVABLE per Jesus death on the cross EXCEPT blaspheming of the HS which IS different..if sin was NOT forgivable we would NOT be able to have our sins forgivem by God when we enter into salvation..JESUS DIED for our past present n future sin.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

I am sorry Jewel, but you have been deceived.

 

[Magenta]

Well..with this standard..ALL unsaved are unknowingly blasheming the HS n sinning (even though unaware) and committing the unfirgivable sin..so if theyre already in a state of unforgiveness WHATS the purpose of Jesus death? The unsaved HAVE to be able to be forgiven to enter into salvation etc How can you be geld accountable for something youre unaware of?

The law is written on our hearts, given to bring awareness of our sinful state before a holy and righteous God. The Law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith, for without faith, it is impossible to please God. Paul called himself a blasphemer, but he did not die in that state. On the one hand you want to say there is no reason for pastors and teachers etc because we have the Holy Spirit to convict us of sin, while now you are at least backhandedly acknowledging that we need teachers to inform us. You are on a slippery slope.

 

[Jewel5712]

Lol..obviously..lol..i have compassion for people no matter how lost they are..

@Magenta

Magenta..how can you disagree? Compassion for the lost is what Jesus n us as christians should be all about!

 

[Magenta]

Peter denied Christ three times..did HE blaspheme the HS and commit the unfirgivable sin? No..

God knew his heart, remember? He was not denying his belief in Jesus, he was denying knowing Him to save his own skin. Please acknowledge there is a difference. Your slippery slope tilts too much!

 

[Magenta]

@Magenta

Magenta..how can you disagree? Compassion for the lost is what Jesus n us as christians should be all about!

Judas is dead and gone, and you are arguing against what Scripture plainly states. It is a gong show

 

[Jewel5712]

The law is written on our hearts, given to bring awareness of our sinful state before a holy and righteous God. The Law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith, for without faith, it is impossible to please God. Paul called himself a blasphemer, but he did not die in that state. On the one hand you want to say there is no reason for pastors and teachers etc because we have the Holy Spirit to convict us of sin, while now you are at least backhandedly acknowledging that we need teachers to inform us. You are on a slippery slope.

Magenta..you are so off base..my comment was in REPLY to BBB..taking it out of context n putting words in my mouth again is twisting my meaning..shame on you...