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Jewel5712

Jewel5712

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BaptistBibleBeliever said:
Jesus took upon Himself a body, died and returned, in a body. We are not speaking of mortals . . . we are speaking of supernatural beings that could assume the form of another. Satan was a serpent in the garden.
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Do you have scripture to back up that judas will be coming back as the anti christ please?
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Judas couldve become a "true christian" 5 min before his death..can you say otherwise?
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Hi Jewel, I like the way you phrased the question; "can you say otherwise?" truthfully no one can say for sure either way if Judas did or did not become a "True Christian", because the bible only say's that Judas was, "seized with remorse." and he confessed his sin, "for I have betrayed innocent blood."

So the biblical facts are not sufficient enough to say that Judas was saved and then lost his salvation -- end of story right?
Matthew27:3,4
3) When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4) “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”​
 
Jewel5712

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Magenta said:
Denying the work of God is akin to denying Christ, which is an unforgivable sin.

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Again..scripture please? To deny christ is just that..denying Christ..we have a choive to deny or accept christ..accept Christ heaven..deny..hell (seperation from God) but dont know how its a sin that needs forgiveness in the first place..
 
Magenta

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TruthTalk said:
Hi Jewel, I like the way you phrased the question; "can you say otherwise?" truthfully no one can say for sure either way if Judas did or did not become a "True Christian", because the bible only say's that Judas was, "seized with remorse." and he confessed his sin, "for I have betrayed innocent blood."

So the biblical facts are not sufficient enough to say that Judas was saved and then lost his salvation -- end of story right?
Matthew27:3,4
3) When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4) “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”​
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The Biblical fact is that Jesus said Judas was doomed to destruction.
 
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TruthTalk said:
Hi Jewel, I like the way you phrased the question; "can you say otherwise?" truthfully no one can say for sure either way if Judas did or did not become a "True Christian", because the bible only say's that Judas was, "seized with remorse." and he confessed his sin, "for I have betrayed innocent blood."

So the biblical facts are not sufficient enough to say that Judas was saved and then lost his salvation -- end of story right?
Matthew27:3,4
3) When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4) “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”​
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I wouldn't rely on it to create a doctrine around it. Unsaved people feel shame and remorse too.
 
Jewel5712

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TruthTalk said:
Hi Jewel, I like the way you phrased the question; "can you say otherwise?" truthfully no one can say for sure either way if Judas did or did not become a "True Christian", because the bible only say's that Judas was, "seized with remorse." and he confessed his sin, "for I have betrayed innocent blood."

So the biblical facts are not sufficient enough to say that Judas was saved and then lost his salvation -- end of story right?
Matthew27:3,4
3) When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4) “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”​
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And for a man that liked money a lot for him to give it back..then others to say his remorse wasnt REAL? Was real in MY book..
 
Magenta

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Jewel5712 said:
Again..scripture please? To deny christ is just that..denying Christ..we have a choive to deny or accept christ..accept Christ heaven..deny..hell (seperation from God) but dont know how its a sin that needs forgiveness in the first place..
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Jewel, the Scripture was on the template. If you do not know how denying God and Jesus Christ is a sin in the first place, how can you understand any of the gospel message? We are born in rebellion against God, pride was and is the downfall of man, because those who refuse to believe usually do so out of the pride of life: the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing. They think they know better.
 
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Jewel5712 said:
And for a man that liked money a lot for him to give it back..then others to say his remorse wasnt REAL? Was real in MY book..
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Not repentance unto salvation, or Jesus would not have called Judas DOOMED TO DESTRUCTION.
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Point is..n i keep repeating myself..its not up to US to judge either way..we arent God..
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And you keep being told that GOD judged him; it is in God's Word.

For some reason, you stubbornly refuse to admit it.
 
Jewel5712

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Magenta said:
Not repentance unto salvation, or Jesus would not have called Judas DOOMED TO DESTRUCTION.
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No one said repentance unto salvation..he felt remorse..confessed his sin..gave the money back and MAYBE (bible doesnt say) judas DID become saved before he died..WE DONT KNOW...so to be definative like he absolutely was not a christian you cant say cause the Bible doesnt say...only God knows..
 
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