Rich or close to Jesus

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Noose

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And, neither the kingdom of God or that of satan is about material wealth:

Rev 13: 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
 
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Jackson123

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Noose said:
The man was rich in spirit for considering Jesus as only being 'a good teacher' and never good God, and was also proud for he thought he had everything covered in terms of keeping the law.

There's no cut mark for being materially wealthy or poor, having functioning eyes/ears/tongue (mouth)/hands/limbs to some is all the wealth that they ever needed. Jesus's teachings are embedded in the spiritual and not the material.

Jesus ended this teaching with an interesting saying, "..the last shall be the first, and the first, last.." what did He actually mean by that?
According to you, it means the most wealthy person shall be the last and the poorest person shall be the first?!! :(
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So you believe this man poor in matery?

No this man had abundant harvest, need more storage, so this man rich in matery.

The man in matt 19 do follow the 10 commandment and rich in matery.

The man in parable, rich in matery, I do not know If he obey the law, It didn't
say wheither he obey the law or not, but both rich in matery
rich in matery make them dificult yo go to heaven.

The last shall the first, mean gentile go to heaven, jews AS the first may not.
 
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Noose

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Jackson123 said:
So you believe this man poor in matery?
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Nope. The man was obviously wealthy because he is being referred to as the rich man but i don't believe material wealth has any connection with our spirituality.
 
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Luke 21
As Jesus looked up, he saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. 2 He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins.3 “Truly I tell you,” he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4 All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”
 
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Jackson123 said:
Matt 19
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Yep Being poor is not the key to go to heaven. But the man in matt 19 is rich in matery.

These verses indicate that man was rich in matery.

He went away sorrowful for he had great possessions

Poor is not the key go to heaven, but Jesus say not easy for rich to go to heaven.

It may not easy for both poor and rich to go to heaven, but because Jesus say not easy for rich to go to heaven, so I believe It is easier for poor go to heaven compare with rich, otherwise Jesus Will say not easy for both poor and rich to go to heaven.
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It’s all about where your heart is.
It’s all about me, me ,me.
We put ourselves before God.
That is the issue at hand. That is why we are separated from God.
 
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Jackson123

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Noose said:
Nope. The man was obviously wealthy because he is being referred to as the rich man but i don't believe material wealth has any connection with our spirituality.
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So you do not believe in Jesus?

Jesus say It is easier camel go to the eye of the nidle than rich go to heaven.

I believe in Jesus

That verse imply there is conection between rich and spirituality
 
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Jackson123

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Embankment said:
Luke 21
As Jesus looked up, he saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. 2 He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins.3 “Truly I tell you,” he said, “this poor widow has put in more than all the others. 4 All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”
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This woman is good a real jews (~real Christian ) yet she was poor in matery.

So real Christian not make people rich in earthly matery.
 
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Jackson123

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Embankment said:
It’s all about where your heart is.
It’s all about me, me ,me.
We put ourselves before God.
That is the issue at hand. That is why we are separated from God.
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Yep, It is about where your heart is. And I believe in Jesus.

What is believe in Jesus mean?

If my friend say come to my house, I Will give you $10000, and I believe, than my believe couse me to come to his house

Jesus say

Matthew 6:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
King James Version (KJV)

I believe what Jesus say that why I believe there is conection between rich in earthly matery and spirituality.

This verse may not always happen, It may some rich put his heart in heaven. It doesn't mean Jesus Lie, but Jesus talk in most case. I am not add or twist or change the Word, but my interpretation about this verse is, majority of rich put they heart to his wealth.

Let me quote this verse one more time and tell me why you not agree with Jesus

Matthew 6:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
King James Version (KJV)
 
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Jackson123

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Matthew 6:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
King James Version (KJV)

Seem to me some people try to proof Jesus wrong,

They use the argument

Abraham was rich and his heart is in God, so Jesus wrong

Salomo was rich and his heart in God so Jesus wrong.

Jesus talking about majority, Jesus say It is dificult for rich man go to heaven. Jesus talking about not easy, mean It is still posible.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Jackson123 said:
Matthew 6:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
King James Version (KJV)

Seem to me some people try to proof Jesus wrong,

They use the argument

Abraham was rich and his heart is in God, so Jesus wrong

Salomo was rich and his heart in God so Jesus wrong.

Jesus talking about majority, Jesus say It is dificult for rich man go to heaven. Jesus talking about not easy, mean It is still posible.
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You have made up your mind that a rich person can not be saved.
And yet, you can not define what it means to be rich.
 
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Jackson123

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SpoonJuly said:
You have made up your mind that a rich person can not be saved.
And yet, you can not define what it means to be rich.
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Where in my post I say rich can not save?

I say I do not know how much aset is the limit to be call rich, but Jesus say not easy for rich go to heaven.

Seem to me you not agree with Jesus.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Jackson123 said:
Where in my post I say rich can not save?

I say I do not know how much aset is the limit to be call rich, but Jesus say not easy for rich go to heaven.

Seem to me you not agree with Jesus.
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Show one of my post that does not agree with Jesus.
If you can not determine what it means to be rich, why did you bring up this subject.
You are not the first person that has ranted about the evils of the rich that can not even determine what makes a person rich.
 
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Jackson123

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SpoonJuly said:
Show one of my post that does not agree with Jesus.
If you can not determine what it means to be rich, why did you bring up this subject.
You are not the first person that has ranted about the evils of the rich that can not even determine what makes a person rich.
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Do you agree that not easy for rich man go to heaven?

Jesus not say specifically how much rich man have, so I do not want to say how much rich man have. Depends oN where he life. In america may need a million to be call rich in Indonesia in my community If you have a car, people call you rich.
 
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Jackson123 said:
In america may need a million to be call rich in Indonesia in my community If you have a car, people call you rich.
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Indonesia is a very wealthy country (in resources), and everyone there could be living well above the poverty line. But, like every other country, the top 1% owns 99% of the wealth.

Anyway, if you don't want to be considered rich, stick with a bicycle.;)
 
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Jackson123

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Nehemiah6 said:
Indonesia is a very wealthy country (in resources), and everyone there could be living well above the poverty line. But, like every other country, the top 1% owns 99% of the wealth.

Anyway, if you don't want to be considered rich, stick with a bicycle.;)
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We have bus and train in Indonesia.
 
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