Is suicide a sin?

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Is suicide a sin?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 87.5%
  • No

    Votes: 2 12.5%

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#41
I believe suicide is a sin. However Jesus died to pay for our sin. Some suicides, maybe all, are the result of a sick, hurting, broken mind. I do not believe that this sin disqualifies somebody from eternal life with Jesus.
Not believing In JESUS Is the thing that damns a person and whether It's a small sin or a bigger sin,sin Is sin to GOD,nevertheless every man that has the hope of eternal life In them after being reborn seeks to perfect his mind to match the new creation he has become.
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1 John 3:1-3
King James Version(KJV)

1.) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2.)Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3.)And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
 

Mel85

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#42
But when someone gives you something, isn't it yours?
So if God gave me the gift of prophetic word, I’d be used for it but the gift doesn’t mean its mine - the gift still belongs to God.

Same with our lives - we’ve been given life but doesn’t mean that we “own it” especially enough to “take it” through suicide.
 

blue_ladybug

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#43
OK, so since we're on the topic of suicide, what about the people trapped in the twin towers on 9/11 who chose to jump, rather than stay and get literally disintegrated when the towers collapsed? Was that suicide? What about the crew and passengers of the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania that day? The passengers knew they most likely would die trying to get control of the plane, so did that count as suicide? I say NO in both cases.
 
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CandieM

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#44
I believe suicide is a sin. However Jesus died to pay for our sin. Some suicides, maybe all, are the result of a sick, hurting, broken mind. I do not believe that this sin disqualifies somebody from eternal life with Jesus.
I only want this to be true. I don't actually know. No sides from me.

Not entirely sure what to think.
 

calibob

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#45
again the RCC made it up, like purgatory and Babies going to hell. If it doesn't say so in the Bible, I wouldn't worry about it. From what I understand Thou shalt not kill is a mistranslation, I'm told the true translation is, thou shalt not commit murder.
 

blue_ladybug

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#46
again the RCC made it up, like purgatory and Babies going to hell. If it doesn't say so in the Bible, I wouldn't worry about it. From what I understand Thou shalt not kill is a mistranslation, I'm told the true translation is, thou shalt not commit murder.

Well, killing IS murder. Unless it's a creepy crawlie death dealer. Then it's a MUST KILL NOW.. lol
 

Lillywolf

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#48
"People don't die from suicide. They die from sadness." Unknown

Suicide is a great tragedy that says, "I gave up on myself", first. Then the domino effect falls onto all those loved ones, family and friends, who blame themselves for not seeing the signs in order to save the life that is now gone forever.​
God knows the number of hairs on your head. He knows when any sparrow falls dead to the ground. That means he also knows that what fills up a person with such dread, regret, fear, whatever it is, that leads them to consider that ultimate act of self-murder. And if reflecting on all those who will be devastated at the news once the suicide is over and the victim is gone doesn't stay the hand, perhaps the fact that taking one eternal last step to solve forever what in life is a momentary problem in relative comparison, would.

No matter what it is, it isn't worth leaving behind those who care about the victim to suffer a lifetime of regret without them.
I know people who considered suicide. Some tried it and lived. They used pills, strong opiates and downed them with alcohol. Rather than waking up somewhere else, they awoke on their bedroom floor with a headache. A living sore miracle. Because the milligrams of opiates they took should have taken them out. Especially when they downed a quart of Wild Turkey with them.
But they lived.
God's ultimate PM. As in, I don't think so!

He ended up surviving the morning with the help of over the counter pain killers for the headache. With the help of friends and family, the few that knew what he'd tried and failed, the rest only aware he was asking for support while he got through some things, he now thrives.

"People don't die from suicide. They die from sadness." Unknown

Is suicide a sin? Likely so. Is God a compassionate God so that those who make that ultimate self-sacrifice and stand before him come their day will find that out? Absolutely.
No one this side of Heaven can say God sends suicides to Hell. However, those in this life can say, don't make an eternal irrevocable choice to solve a finite revocable problem. And therein send those that loved the victim into a living hell of regret, despair, and grief thinking they could have stopped it.

Call someone. Call the *U.S National Suicide Prevention Hotline - 1-800-273-8255 . (Other Links) (Even More Links)
PM someone you trust and share. Start a journal and unburden yourself without reservation. Let it flow onto the paper and out of your heart and mind. Lighten up in a way that doesn't let life hurt so bad. But don't self-destruct. Don't drink to excess. Don't start acting crazy and taking risks hoping behavior will take you out rather than by a thine own hand exit. Don't die for your problems. The problems win if you do.

And just as a note, the you in my post is impersonal. It is meant to speak to the whole body of the forum. And any one person who may find this post as a member, or in a search engine that links to this thread due to its topic.

God be with anyone who feels life is better off without them. It isn't. It hurts. Until those who miss the suicidal person who goes through with it die in their own right. The guilt, for not seeing it and doing something to stop it, even if that sounds irrational, is still a factor. People who leave their life by their own choice have no idea as they exit their pain and suffering that degree of pain an suffering their passing that way puts on those who love them.

 

blue_ladybug

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#49
I've attempted suicide before.. First time was around age 8 or so, in the middle of the night with my mom's sewing shears.. Luckily I wimped out because I don't like pain.. lol
 
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#50
Murder takes malice. Self defense for example is not murder. Remember Jericho?
Only GOD knows a person’s motives.Is It possible for a person to be defending a loved one and murdur them maybe at some point they had malice In their heart,only GOD knows.
 

blue_ladybug

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#51
Murder takes malice. Self defense for example is not murder. Remember Jericho?

Not always. A drunk driver who drives and hits and kills someone doesn't get in the car with malice beforehand.. A homeowner who is forced to shoot an intruder and possibly kill him in the process, doesn't do it with the thought of "okay now you gonna die for burglarizing my house"..
 

calibob

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#52
Not always. A drunk driver who drives and hits and kills someone doesn't get in the car with malice beforehand.. A homeowner who is forced to shoot an intruder and possibly kill him in the process, doesn't do it with the thought of "okay now you gonna die for burglarizing my house"..
we'll have to agree to disagree then. I don't consider either murder. The case of the drunk driver would be manslaughter and killing the intruder is justifiable homocide,,,in my opinion. I'm an ex air police. We were taught shoot to kill every time we had to use a weapon, like if a suspect runs away.
 
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#53
unless we count what Christ did by laying down His life for us... should we count it this way? what if someone does something like throwing themselves on a grenade in hope to save someone else from the explosion.. is that suicide?
1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Giving your life to save others is not suicide, for it is not self motivated, but for the love of people.

What Samson did was not anything he did not do at any other time living for the LORD, and that is whip Philistines when the Spirit came upon him, which were Israel's enemy, which more died from that act of collapsing the building than all the ones he whipped during his life, and also the Philistines put out his eyes, put him in fetters, and made sport of him, and praised their false god Dagon for delivering Samson in to their hands, and his hair grew back, so God strengthened him so Samson could be avenged of the Philistines, and they would of done in him in anyway.

They could do that in certain circumstances in the Old Testament, but we cannot harm anybody no matter what they do to us in the New Testament.

But we can lay down our lives to save people such as run in to a burning building to save people, or fall on a grenade, jump in front of a bullet, and so forth, for that is not suicide in the wrong sense.

If we commit suicide that is motivated by self, than how can we repent of it in the afterlife, for all sins must be dealt with on earth, and none forgiven in the afterlife if they are on your record.
 

calibob

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#54
1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Giving your life to save others is not suicide, for it is not self motivated, but for the love of people.

What Samson did was not anything he did not do at any other time living for the LORD, and that is whip Philistines when the Spirit came upon him, which were Israel's enemy, which more died from that act of collapsing the building than all the ones he whipped during his life, and also the Philistines put out his eyes, put him in fetters, and made sport of him, and praised their false god Dagon for delivering Samson in to their hands, and his hair grew back, so God strengthened him so Samson could be avenged of the Philistines, and they would of done in him in anyway.

They could do that in certain circumstances in the Old Testament, but we cannot harm anybody no matter what they do to us in the New Testament.

But we can lay down our lives to save people such as run in to a burning building to save people, or fall on a grenade, jump in front of a bullet, and so forth, for that is not suicide in the wrong sense.

If we commit suicide that is motivated by self, than how can we repent of it in the afterlife, for all sins must be dealt with on earth, and none forgiven in the afterlife if they are on your record.
Or did David murder Goliath? I think not.
 

calibob

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#56
So what he was doing it for the right reason. Well, sorry i'm not a concencous objector. Men are taught it's their obligation to kill to protect others, defend our family, home and country and our God. Modern morality has a long way to go before that changes. David killed the Philistien for a justifyable reason in those days. justifiable homocide is not murder anywhere I've been. Thankfully I'm out of that business so I won't have to.
 

Lillywolf

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1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Giving your life to save others is not suicide, for it is not self motivated, but for the love of people.

What Samson did was not anything he did not do at any other time living for the LORD, and that is whip Philistines when the Spirit came upon him, which were Israel's enemy, which more died from that act of collapsing the building than all the ones he whipped during his life, and also the Philistines put out his eyes, put him in fetters, and made sport of him, and praised their false god Dagon for delivering Samson in to their hands, and his hair grew back, so God strengthened him so Samson could be avenged of the Philistines, and they would of done in him in anyway.

They could do that in certain circumstances in the Old Testament, but we cannot harm anybody no matter what they do to us in the New Testament.

But we can lay down our lives to save people such as run in to a burning building to save people, or fall on a grenade, jump in front of a bullet, and so forth, for that is not suicide in the wrong sense.

If we commit suicide that is motivated by self, than how can we repent of it in the afterlife, for all sins must be dealt with on earth, and none forgiven in the afterlife if they are on your record.
Where is it written in the New Testament that we cannot harm anyone no matter what they do to us? Which would include fighting in self defense or taking the life of another in defense of self, family, or innocent unarmed others.

The OT command is, thou shalt not murder. Not, thou shalt not kill.
 

calibob

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#59
besides Goliath was already dead any, his head was more like a trophy. Like a rack of antlers,