The Bride

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Jewel5712

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posthuman said:
Before leaving the young man would announce, " I am going to prepare a place for you ", and "I will return for you when it is ready". The usual practice was for the young man to return to his father's house and build a honeymoon room there. This is what is symbolized by the chuppah or canopy that is characteristic of Jewish weddings. He was not allowed to skimp on the work and had to get his father's approval before he could consider it ready for his bride. If asked the date of his wedding he would have to reply, "Only my father knows."​
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Matthew 24:36/Mark 13:32 does not mean Jesus Christ is or ever was ignorant of any fact.

He is speaking in the language of the Hebrew betrothal ceremony :)
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Its talkimg bout jesus 2nd coming..no one will know time...
 
posthuman

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JaumeJ said:
I have a question. How can we be the Bride of Jesus Christ when throughout th Old Testamen Yahweh tell Israel, "I am your husband." Yahweh and Jesus are God and God is One......not only do I believe this, I feel I know it.

Of course all who truly believe Jesus Christ are Israel, and we await the New Jerusalem to come down brought by our Maker. Praise God Almighty always, He is always good.
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at the present time, we're betrothed to Christ - but this isn't a marriage that is consummated. we're in the middle of the 12-step betrothal process, waiting for the groom to return to snatch us away & bring us to the feast.
at the present time, Israel is the divorced, adulterous wife of YHWH. and He has said, "I will make you jealous by those who are not a people" ((Deut. 32:21))

this is all in type, in symbol, showing us a mystery of His will and His plan. not that i can tell you the meaning of it; "surely i am the most ignorant of men, and have not the understanding of a man" :)

i've been reading about Jacob, Leah and Rachel recently -- and i wonder if their lives don't show us something that speaks to what you're asking about?
 
Jewel5712

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posthuman said:
at the present time, we're betrothed to Christ - but this isn't a marriage that is consummated. we're in the middle of the 12-step betrothal process, waiting for the groom to return to snatch us away & bring us to the feast.
at the present time, Israel is the divorced, adulterous wife of YHWH. and He has said, "I will make you jealous by those who are not a people" ((Deut. 32:21))

this is all in type, in symbol, showing us a mystery of His will and His plan. not that i can tell you the meaning of it; "surely i am the most ignorant of men, and have not the understanding of a man" :)

i've been reading about Jacob, Leah and Rachel recently -- and i wonder if their lives don't show us something that speaks to what you're asking about?
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Sometimes gotta be careful n dont over analyze things and "add to" something that wasnt meant...;)
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Sometimes gotta be careful n dont over analyze things and "add to" something that wasnt meant...;)
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amen! but at the same time gotta take into account all the scripture together and never assume it is shallow or 'simple'
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How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity?
(Proverbs 1:22) ​

↑ He's talking to me :eek:
 
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posthuman said:
Before leaving the young man would announce, " I am going to prepare a place for you ", and "I will return for you when it is ready". The usual practice was for the young man to return to his father's house and build a honeymoon room there. This is what is symbolized by the chuppah or canopy that is characteristic of Jewish weddings. He was not allowed to skimp on the work and had to get his father's approval before he could consider it ready for his bride. If asked the date of his wedding he would have to reply, "Only my father knows."​
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Matthew 24:36/Mark 13:32 does not mean Jesus Christ is or ever was ignorant of any fact.

He is speaking in the language of the Hebrew betrothal ceremony :)
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Yes, As the Messiah spoke to the Gentile Woman.

John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
 
calibob

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posthuman said:
at the present time, we're betrothed to Christ - but this isn't a marriage that is consummated. we're in the middle of the 12-step betrothal process, waiting for the groom to return to snatch us away & bring us to the feast.
at the present time, Israel is the divorced, adulterous wife of YHWH. and He has said, "I will make you jealous by those who are not a people" ((Deut. 32:21))

this is all in type, in symbol, showing us a mystery of His will and His plan. not that i can tell you the meaning of it; "surely i am the most ignorant of men, and have not the understanding of a man" :)

i've been reading about Jacob, Leah and Rachel recently -- and i wonder if their lives don't show us something that speaks to what you're asking about?
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I find it almost depressing that people still seem to Worship the old testament and not realize that aside fromsome prophectes it has been fulfilled. On the cross! We can use it for history, knowledge and examples but we are in a new era of God and have been about 2000 years. Set it aside all we need is Jesus and we all need Jesus. Following the laws of the OT only and disregarding the newer and better (in my opinion) testament will only send people to hell. It is done said Jesus on the cross. Let it go, WE ARE THE BRIDES OF CHRIST.Why do people still cling to a ship that has already sank. Jesus IS our life raft! Get aboard or you will perish for sure.

True story; When I used to ride a bus to work their was an old lady who used to get onboard wearing a white gown and tiara. One da some young men dressed like thugs started to try and tease her asked asked her why she dressed like that on such a hot day, maybe 110* in the shade (Vegas) She said "I'm going to a wedding so I'm ready." they laughed at her and called some rude names the she told them "I'm going to marry a King, Jesus so I'm ready, you should get ready too." and the laughing stopped, they got off the bus. She smiled at me and I nodded in agreement. Amen sister, amen.
 
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calibob said:
I find it almost depressing that people still seem to Worship the old testament and not realize that aside fromsome prophectes it has been fulfilled. On the cross! We can use it for history, knowledge and examples but we are in a new era of God and have been about 2000 years. Set it aside all we need is Jesus and we all need Jesus. Following the laws of the OT only and disregarding the newer and better (in my opinion) testament will only send people to hell. It is done said Jesus on the cross. Let it go, WE ARE THE BRIDES OF CHRIST.Why do people still cling to a ship that has already sank. Jesus IS our life raft! Get aboard or you will perish for sure.

True story; When I used to ride a bus to work their was an old lady who used to get onboard wearing a white gown and tiara. One da some young men dressed like thugs started to try and tease her asked asked her why she dressed like that on such a hot day, maybe 110* in the shade (Vegas) She said "I'm going to a wedding so I'm ready." they laughed at her and called some rude names the she told them "I'm going to marry a King, Jesus so I'm ready, you should get ready too." and the laughing stopped, they got off the bus. She smiled at me and I nodded in agreement. Amen sister, amen.
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how i see the OT, is not that it is different from the NT at all in this one thing: it testifies of Christ. all of it.
((because, John 5:39))
it finds all its fulfillment, therefore, in Christ. that's true of both the 'old' and the 'new' - and in a lot of ways, because of this, i am uncomfortable with making such a distinction between the these books and those books. in other ways, it makes sense. but it may lead one to think one is set aside or irrelevant in some way to the other: i don't believe that.

since i see it all as a testimony - i.e. a description - of Christ, whether it is describing the things of Him that are revealed in His person as having put on flesh as we have, in the record of the gospels, or whether it is describing things of Him which we have not yet seen, it is all equally relevant and even essential as it touches on transmitting understanding and knowledge of Him.
((because, John 17:3 - eternal life is to know Him, and to know a thing is in part to comprehend every testimony of it))

it's in light of these things that i would look at how anyone views the law and the prophets & the psalms and wise sayings. i think to myself, if i am looking at those scriptures and finding something other than information about the Lord Jesus Christ, i am not yet seeing in them what they are meant to show me.
((because, in John 5:39, 'search the scriptures' is grammatically imperative, not declarative. He isn't saying, 'you lot are searching the scriptures' -- He's commanding, 'search the scriptures! because they testify of Me!'))

as i understand His instruction, i'm supposed to be poring over and through the scripture - which at the time He said it, was what we call now the OT - with the intent of finding it testifying of Him.
((in re: Luke 24:27))

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calibob said:
True story; When I used to ride a bus to work their was an old lady who used to get onboard wearing a white gown and tiara. One da some young men dressed like thugs started to try and tease her asked asked her why she dressed like that on such a hot day, maybe 110* in the shade (Vegas) She said "I'm going to a wedding so I'm ready." they laughed at her and called some rude names the she told them "I'm going to marry a King, Jesus so I'm ready, you should get ready too." and the laughing stopped, they got off the bus. She smiled at me and I nodded in agreement. Amen sister, amen.
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Jesus-people. whacha gonna do

i showed this to my wife, and she's looking for a wedding dress now. she says she wouldn't be wearing a tiara tho; she'd cast it at His feet if she had one :D

and we're talking about the parable of the wedding feast, where in Matthew a man is found among them not wearing a wedding garment. there, the people have all been invited from the main road. in Luke, it says the crippled, the blind and the lame are invited. the question is: where do these people get wedding garments? how is it that someone is inside without one? the people who were found traveling on the roads, and the crippled, lame, and blind - why would i expect them to have a wedding garment with them, or be wealthy enough even to own one? so i think, the wedding garment is provided at the door, by the King Himself ((re: John 10 - He, the King, is the gate)) -- so this person who is found without one, is the man who crept in some other way, to steal and to kill and destroy. he's the man who was invited before but made excuses - who would have been at his home, knowing ahead of time, and probably of a class that would own a wedding garment or have access to one, being among the first the King would list to invite. he doesn't have a garment because he didn't enter through the gate :)

thanks for sharing this, Bob ♥
 
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posthuman said:
how i see the OT, is not that it is different from the NT at all in this one thing: it testifies of Christ. all of it.
((because, John 5:39))
it finds all its fulfillment, therefore, in Christ. that's true of both the 'old' and the 'new' - and in a lot of ways, because of this, i am uncomfortable with making such a distinction between the these books and those books. in other ways, it makes sense. but it may lead one to think one is set aside or irrelevant in some way to the other: i don't believe that.

since i see it all as a testimony - i.e. a description - of Christ, whether it is describing the things of Him that are revealed in His person as having put on flesh as we have, in the record of the gospels, or whether it is describing things of Him which we have not yet seen, it is all equally relevant and even essential as it touches on transmitting understanding and knowledge of Him.
((because, John 17:3 - eternal life is to know Him, and to know a thing is in part to comprehend every testimony of it))

it's in light of these things that i would look at how anyone views the law and the prophets & the psalms and wise sayings. i think to myself, if i am looking at those scriptures and finding something other than information about the Lord Jesus Christ, i am not yet seeing in them what they are meant to show me.
((because, in John 5:39, 'search the scriptures' is grammatically imperative, not declarative. He isn't saying, 'you lot are searching the scriptures' -- He's commanding, 'search the scriptures! because they testify of Me!'))

as i understand His instruction, i'm supposed to be poring over and through the scripture - which at the time He said it, was what we call now the OT - with the intent of finding it testifying of Him.
((in re: Luke 24:27))

:)
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I agree 100% It's not the books we are supposed to cling to, or Paul Or Peter as many do, it's Jesus. I'm sure Lucifer knows the all backwards, forewords and sideways and quote them in bits and pieces, as many do and use them to deceive us nd does quite often. He even tried it to Jesus I think that was part of lean not to your own understanding verse refers. We are much more easily tricked than the man/son of God, God than the books was written by and about. Jesus died to forgive us from the ease of our deception too. All we have to do is accept it and move on trying not to be fooled again.
 
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