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^ to the earth, yes. 
That's what the word "RETURN" speaks of (that is, TO THE EARTH, not our Rapture). He "RETURNS" only once (to the earth).
When He comes for us in the Rapture, no one on the earth will "see" Him. (Acts 1 refers to His VISIBLE return, just as they SAW Him "go up [passive]." [this was not His "ACTIVE ascension" He spoke with MM about, which occurred earlier, ON FF/His Resurrection Day [Lev23:10-12] (that very day).] The Rapture is not being referred to there [in the Acts 1 dialogue]. They were asking Him what they knew of [and rightly], that of "restoring the kingdom to Israel"--they just did not grasp the TIMING of it)
That's what the word "RETURN" speaks of (that is, TO THE EARTH, not our Rapture). He "RETURNS" only once (to the earth).
When He comes for us in the Rapture, no one on the earth will "see" Him. (Acts 1 refers to His VISIBLE return, just as they SAW Him "go up [passive]." [this was not His "ACTIVE ascension" He spoke with MM about, which occurred earlier, ON FF/His Resurrection Day [Lev23:10-12] (that very day).] The Rapture is not being referred to there [in the Acts 1 dialogue]. They were asking Him what they knew of [and rightly], that of "restoring the kingdom to Israel"--they just did not grasp the TIMING of it)
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^ to the earth, yes.
When He comes for us in the Rapture, no one on the earth will "see" Him. (Acts 1 refers to His VISIBLE return, just as they SAW Him "go up [passive]." [this was not His "ACTIVE ascension" He spoke with MM about, which occurred ON FF/His Resurrection Day (that very day).] The Rapture is not being referred to there (the Acts 1 dialogue). They were asking Him what they knew of [and rightly], that of "restoring the kingdom to Israel"--they just did not grasp the TIMING of it)
If you say so...
^ by the way, I added some clarifications to my post after you grabbed/quoted it.
Hopefully it helps the readers.
Hopefully it helps the readers.
^ to the earth, yes.
That's what the word "RETURN" speaks of (that is, TO THE EARTH, not our Rapture). He "RETURNS" only once (to the earth).
When He comes for us in the Rapture, no one on the earth will "see" Him. (Acts 1 refers to His VISIBLE return, just as they SAW Him "go up [passive]." [this was not His "ACTIVE ascension" He spoke with MM about, which occurred earlier, ON FF/His Resurrection Day [Lev23:10-12] (that very day).] The Rapture is not being referred to there [in the Acts 1 dialogue]. They were asking Him what they knew of [and rightly], that of "restoring the kingdom to Israel"--they just did not grasp the TIMING of it)
You are free in this world to believe as you wish. For me, I am sticking with the scriptures.
1 Thess. 4:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
^ to the earth, yes.
That's what the word "RETURN" speaks of (that is, TO THE EARTH, not our Rapture). He "RETURNS" only once (to the earth).
When He comes for us in the Rapture, no one on the earth will "see" Him. (Acts 1 refers to His VISIBLE return, just as they SAW Him "go up [passive]." [this was not His "ACTIVE ascension" He spoke with MM about, which occurred earlier, ON FF/His Resurrection Day [Lev23:10-12] (that very day).] The Rapture is not being referred to there [in the Acts 1 dialogue]. They were asking Him what they knew of [and rightly], that of "restoring the kingdom to Israel"--they just did not grasp the TIMING of it)
I can't find your secret rapture anywhere in scripture. When Christ come the very next time, it will be visible with power and glory:
Mat. 24:29-31 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
The last heaven is the heavenly realm on earth.
The above passage refers to our Rapture (pertaining solely to "the Church which is His body" (the one referred to in 2Cor11:2 "A CHASTE VIRGIN" (SINGULAR; not the PLURAL virgins of "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER"/earthly MK--He is not MARRYING the PLURAL virgins (Matt25:1-13)]). The "Rapture" pertains SOLELY to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (not to all other saints of all OTHER time periods).
When our Rapture occurs, no one on the earth will "SEE" Jesus (when we go to "the meeting [noun] of the Lord... IN THE AIR"). This is not what Acts 1 was speaking of (but His Second Coming to the earth, which WILL INDEED be "VISIBLE" to all on the earth). This ascension of His (in Acts 1, VISIBLE; "go up" passive) is not the "ACTIVE ascension" of His fulfilling Lev23:10-12 ON HIS RESURRECTION DAY. (said to MM)
Sure they do. Why are you suggesting I am saying otherwise, I just got done telling you I agree that passage you gave IS OUR RAPTURE (that is not His Second Coming TO THE EARTH FOR "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER: the earthly MK [where Mt25:1-13, Mt22:9-14, Lk12:36-37,38,40 speak of]).
"the dead IN Christ" (and "we which are alive and remain" who are "caught up together WITH them..." [that is, AS ONE]) speaks only of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (not all other saints of all other time periods)
The "ten virgins" [even considering the "five"] passage refers to those who are still alive at the time of Christ's Second Coming TO THE EARTH, and are NOT who He is MARRYING (that is not the CONTEXT there). He is not marrying even FIVE [PLURAL] VIRGINS. This passage is not "the MARRIAGE". He'll be coming (to the earth), AT THAT point in time (per context), as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom.
I had edited my post (for further clarification) after you grabbed it (to say):
"When our Rapture occurs, no one on the earth will "SEE" Jesus (when we go to "the meeting [noun] of the Lord... IN THE AIR"). This is not what Acts 1 was speaking of (but His Second Coming to the earth, which WILL INDEED be "VISIBLE" to all on the earth). This ascension of His (in Acts 1, VISIBLE; "go up" passive) is not the "ACTIVE ascension" of His fulfilling Lev23:10-12 ON HIS RESURRECTION DAY. (said to MM)"
[1Cor15:20]
"When our Rapture occurs, no one on the earth will "SEE" Jesus (when we go to "the meeting [noun] of the Lord... IN THE AIR"). This is not what Acts 1 was speaking of (but His Second Coming to the earth, which WILL INDEED be "VISIBLE" to all on the earth). This ascension of His (in Acts 1, VISIBLE; "go up" passive) is not the "ACTIVE ascension" of His fulfilling Lev23:10-12 ON HIS RESURRECTION DAY. (said to MM)"
[1Cor15:20]
Most miss the fact that in the parables the Gentiles are identified as the guests at the wedding...but hey.....who cares what the bible states right.....<-sarcasm alert!!!!
Yes, "guests" of the wedding FEAST/SUPPER (Mt22:9-14), but this is not speaking of [to, for, and about] "the Church which is His body" (wherein there is neither Jew nor Gentile in our standing before God, IN Christ... though made up of both those of the Jews AND of the Gentiles). "The wedding FEAST/SUPPER" is the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (not where we go when WE are "Raptured"--though there IS a "Rapture... THIS is not its CONTEXT).
For example, the Rev7:9,14 [Gentiles/nations], and the Matt25:31-34 [Gentiles/nations], and the Rev19:15b [nations, plural] are not speaking of "the Church which is His body" (pertaining to "the MARRIAGE" ITSELF), but the earthly MK ("the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" on the earth, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth [not at our Rapture]).
This context is referring to the same thing that Isaiah 27:12-13 is (at the "GREAT" trumpet), note "who" and "where" these are gathered [verb], and in what manner ("ONE BY ONE" rather than "AS ONE" which is how our Rapture will occur ['the meeting [noun] of the Lord...IN THE AIR']). So this is AFTER [at end] of Trib. Same time that Daniel (OT saint) was told he would "stand in thy lot AT THE END of the days [the END of the days in that context, meaning END of trib (Dan12:6-7,1)]". OT saints will be present FOR "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER [on the earth, the MK]" [Matt8:11 and parallel]).
Note also how the phrase "the four winds" is used in the following verse (though not speaking of the precise same EVENT as Matt24):
Jeremiah 49:36 -
"36 And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come."
[Israel is "scattered" also, I've supplied verses elsewhere]
So Matthew 24:29-31 also parallels Isaiah 24:21-23/Rev19:19/Rev16:14-16 (ALL of which are His Second Coming TO THE EARTH contexts; NONE of these are our "RAPTURE" contexts).
But the Bible says He comes with a shout, and the "Trump" of God, just like the Feast of Trumpets teach. How is it you teach He comes so no one will see Him? Can you show the scriptures in the OT or the NT that say he comes silently so no one see's Him the first time, then comes again sometime later?
Also, the scriptures say Abraham was also part of the Body of Christ and that we are to have His faith to be accepted. Is He not "Dead in Christ" and Daniel who waits for His Lot. Is he not also "Dead in Christ"?? I He not the God of the Living? How is you separate those spoke of in the faith Chapter of Heb. 11, from those who have Like faith today?
I have heard of such teaching, but can not find sufficient evidence from the Word of god that it is Biblical.
I thought she was bought for a price THEM given the oppertunity to accept or reject?
Also..we are given only ONE oppertunity in our lives to accept? Im not sure bout that one..
As far as I understand she is betrothed and purchased and is waiting for His return. If she is prepared to meet Him when He comes, it's good, but of she isn't prepared when He comes, the door is closed. At least this is what my Master says.
I also believe His promise of being a patient God, but we never know when He will return which comes either when He get's here, or the end of our life, which ever comes first. But He said whoever "Endures to the End" Shall be saved. So I believe we have a whole life to "deny our self, pick up our cross, and Follow Him."
Rom. 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
I think He freely gives us faith (his) not opportunities but a work of faith that works in the believer to both will and perform that which he appoints to us. It is Christ who can make our hearts soft.
I see it more as one opportunity to believe (exercise faith) as he gives us ear to make it possible. No one of their own volition (imaginations of one heart)can seek after Him not seen and therefore understand Him.
He must do the first works ...our first love hearing him believing Him not seen as a anchor of our new souls
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.Romans 3:10-11
Before leaving the young man would announce, " I am going to prepare a place for you ", and "I will return for you when it is ready". The usual practice was for the young man to return to his father's house and build a honeymoon room there. This is what is symbolized by the chuppah or canopy that is characteristic of Jewish weddings. He was not allowed to skimp on the work and had to get his father's approval before he could consider it ready for his bride. If asked the date of his wedding he would have to reply, "Only my father knows."
((quoted from: http://www.wildolive.co.uk/weddings.htm))
((quoted from: http://www.wildolive.co.uk/weddings.htm))
Matthew 24:36/Mark 13:32 does not mean Jesus Christ is or ever was ignorant of any fact.
He is speaking in the language of the Hebrew betrothal ceremony