A brief proof of our profound ignorance

[posthuman]

below is given a short proof that we all know very little

• there is a 'right' way to pray. this is evident by Luke 18:10-14, Luke 11:1-2, etc.
• 'the right way to pray' can be described by some set of attributes, one of which is this:
  • Pray in the Spirit at all times, with every kind of prayer and petition.
    • (Ephesians 6:18)
  • Pray without ceasing
    • (1 Thessalonians 5:17)
• therefore every moment, as small as a moment may be measured, that we are not praying, we are not in a state of 'the right way to pray'
  • call this, 'the wrong way to pray'
• 'the wrong way to pray' can also be described by some set of attributes. one of those attributes, for us as believers, is this:
  • In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words.
    • (Romans 8:26)
• 'we do not know how we ought to pray' is therefore part of the set of attributes that describes us every moment, as small as a moment may be measured, during which we are not praying in 'the right way to pray'
  • i.e. every countable moment of time we do not spend in perfect prayer represents a moment of our ignorance of something in the body of knowledge which is 'the right way to pray'
• not presented here is a detailed estimate of the number of nanoseconds the reader has spent / is spending / will spend not in in perfect prayer; it is assumed to be a very large number.

Q.E.D.

 

[posthuman]

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For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.
(Romans 12:3)​

♥

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I thought that "praying in every season [singular] in the Spirit" meant "in every opportune-time/fitting-season/opportunity/occasion [G2540]"... (rather than 'every countable moment of time')


Here's something else that occurred "unceasingly" : https://biblehub.com/text/1_thessalonians/2-13.htm

 

[posthuman]

I thought that "praying in every season [singular] in the Spirit" meant "in every opportune-time/fitting-season/opportunity/occasion [G2540]"... (rather than 'every countable moment of time')


Here's something else that occurred "unceasingly" : https://biblehub.com/text/1_thessalonians/2-13.htm

what time are you suggesting it is not fitting to pray?

 

[OneFaith]

We are to pray in season and out of season. This means there are times when our prayers are more formal- meal time, in bible study group, in the worship assembly. But other times, in our private and quite times, we pray even without words. We pour out our hearts, we seek guidance, we are silent and focused on His presence. Instead of thinking to myself I think to God, and in this way my prayer never ceases.

 

[Locutus]

We are to pray in season and out of season.

Don't forget the soccer season

 

[dcontroversal]

Where does the bible say to pray in season and out of season?...I would like to see that scripture quoted!!!

1st Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing!

 

[trofimus]

Oh, yes... a "mathematical" logic vs ambiguous human language

 

[Magenta]

what time are you suggesting it is not fitting to pray?

It's funny... in that peculiar kind of way, you know? I went looking for a song by Alison Krauss earlier tonight in response to a thread Mar started about taking action, a song titled Living Prayer... I ended up getting sidetracked by all kinds of other stuff on youtube (after listening to a few Alison Krauss songs, one with a matured Jewell ) and then gave up on the idea of posting in Mar's thread (the song did not seem to fit, anyways ) but then I saw this thread, and the song is seemingly perfect for it So here it is

 

[luigi]

Pray in truth, with your heart.
Not some ritualistic mumbo jumbo.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

below is given a short proof that we all know very little

• there is a 'right' way to pray. this is evident by Luke 18:10-14, Luke 11:1-2, etc.
• 'the right way to pray' can be described by some set of attributes, one of which is this:
  • Pray in the Spirit at all times, with every kind of prayer and petition.
    • (Ephesians 6:18)
  • Pray without ceasing
    • (1 Thessalonians 5:17)
• therefore every moment, as small as a moment may be measured, that we are not praying, we are not in a state of 'the right way to pray'
  • call this, 'the wrong way to pray'
• 'the wrong way to pray' can also be described by some set of attributes. one of those attributes, for us as believers, is this:
  • In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know how we ought to pray, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groans too deep for words.
    • (Romans 8:26)
• 'we do not know how we ought to pray' is therefore part of the set of attributes that describes us every moment, as small as a moment may be measured, during which we are not praying in 'the right way to pray'
  • i.e. every countable moment of time we do not spend in perfect prayer represents a moment of our ignorance of something in the body of knowledge which is 'the right way to pray'
• not presented here is a detailed estimate of the number of nanoseconds the reader has spent / is spending / will spend not in in perfect prayer; it is assumed to be a very large number.

Q.E.D.

Only one Man exercised 'perfect prayer' and He took my place on the cruel cross so that I might bring my imperfect worship and lay it at His feet. Yet, in all my human frailty - He and the Father see it as perfect because it is covered with the blood!!!

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Where does the bible say to pray in season and out of season?...I would like to see that scripture quoted!!!

1st Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing!

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine" (II Timothy 4:2).

 

[posthuman]

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine" (II Timothy 4:2).

i was looking at this word 'be instant' and it seems to mean something like 'standing at the ready' or 'at hand' -- like how you would describe a soldier or servant being at attention waiting, and 'ready' to receive orders. ((? please add whatever understanding you have))

this verse only says 'pray in season and out of season' if we assume that the 'readiness' or 'at-handedness' implies in a state of prayer --- which point i'm not contesting, just pointing out

 

[posthuman]

It's funny... in that peculiar kind of way, you know? I went looking for a song by Alison Krauss earlier tonight in response to a thread Mar started about taking action, a song titled Living Prayer... I ended up getting sidetracked by all kinds of other stuff on youtube (after listening to a few Alison Krauss songs, one with a matured Jewell ) and then gave up on the idea of posting in Mar's thread (the song did not seem to fit, anyways ) but then I saw this thread, and the song is seemingly perfect for it So here it is

♥​

reminds me of this song, too --

in fact, in a sense the idea of this thread is putting the truth of your song together with this one

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

i was looking at this word 'be instant' and it seems to mean something like 'standing at the ready' or 'at hand' -- like how you would describe a soldier or servant being at attention waiting, and 'ready' to receive orders. ((? please add whatever understanding you have))

this verse only says 'pray in season and out of season' if we assume that the 'readiness' or 'at-handedness' implies in a state of prayer --- which point i'm not contesting, just pointing out

"Pray without ceasing" . . . it is almost impossible for a believer not to have a constant knowledge of the presence of Christ . . . the thing missing, however, is a constant dialog between friends. We can gauge our fellowship with Him by how often we find ourselves thinking about Him and talking to Him as the day unfolds.

 

[posthuman]

"Pray without ceasing" . . . it is almost impossible for a believer not to have a constant knowledge of the presence of Christ . . . the thing missing, however, is a constant dialog between friends. We can gauge our fellowship with Him by how often we find ourselves thinking about Him and talking to Him as the day unfolds.

". . impossible for man, but with God all things are possible" ​

-- so, Romans 8:26, the Spirit intercedes within us when we 'fail at prayer'

how often is this going on? certain people say Romans 8:26 refers to making unintelligible sounds, which they call 'speaking in tongues' -- but ((obviously?)) i have a different understanding of the meaning of this verse.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

". . impossible for man, but with God all things are possible" ​

-- so, Romans 8:26, the Spirit intercedes within us when we 'fail at prayer'

how often is this going on? certain people say Romans 8:26 refers to making unintelligible sounds, which they call 'speaking in tongues' -- but ((obviously?)) i have a different understanding of the meaning of this verse.

When my wife died and went to glory I was happy, yet very sad. Happy that she was in the presence of her Saviour - but the grief at her leaving was unbearable. I could not pray, nor find any words - all I could do was cry 'Jesus' and groan in pain. I believe that God knew my need and what was on my heart because the Holy Spirit, my Intercessor, was telling Him in plain Godspeak (whatever that might be).

No, I do not believe that this was 'speaking in tongues' for that was a sign and it was only for the Jew to authenticate the apostle's message - and they were languages already in use (for how else did all those people from so many countries understand the gospel at Pentecost?)

 

[posthuman]

No, I do not believe that this was 'speaking in tongues' for that was a sign and it was only for the Jew to authenticate the apostle's message - and they were languages already in use (for how else did all those people from so many countries understand the gospel at Pentecost?)

i like to point out to charismatics who cite this verse, the KJV says "groanings which cannot be uttered"
so if this is reference to tongues, how can you be uttering them? it clearly says that is not possible, lol

 

[dcontroversal]

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine" (II Timothy 4:2).

The word preach is not PRAY.........and that was the quote!!!

Maybe you guys think we can just change the word of God at the drop of a hat and insert words at will to make our invalid points......I am not one that believes that approach is valid!!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Where does the bible say to pray in season and out of season?...I would like to see that scripture quoted!!!

1st Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing!

Funny how I get a thumbs down when I question an embellished verse not found in scripture and then direct quote a verse that is in scripture....speaks volumes to the spiritual state of the one giving a thumbs down.....and then to have someone quote a verse to me in another post which does NOT SAY WHAT WAS IMPLIED BY THE EMBELLISHED VERSE-->PRAY IN SEASON AND OUT OF SEASON.....no wonder so many will come before the throne thinking they have right to enter but are cast.....the embellished word of God is peddled like popcorn at a cinema on this site!!!