lol, the bible says that none will buy their merchandise anymore (collapse,market crash) and who deceived who,Revelation 18:23...
Is Prosperity For The Present Church?
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lol, the Chinese are nothing more than Egypt's modern day slaves making brick without straw and the modern world is nothing more than up to do Egyptian's discussing frogs and grasshoppers with words of justification...
Well Brother,
The church I presently worship is actually growing with multitude like wide fire on daily basis. With more and more great cathedrals being built.
So its obvious we are not the one being referred to in the Revelation you just quoted.
lol, with scripture,pitting the two one against the other does it say you will not be able to buy and sell if you dont have the mark of God or of the beast?
Brother,
Don't you think you need to heed Paul's counsel here?
He says to judge nothing before the time.
John wrote Revelation not Paul. Jesus told Paul he would suffer much tribulation for his sake and he did.
John 14
12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Before verse 14 there is verse 12. Verse 12 start with a command, believe in Me/Jesus
What believe in Jesus mean? Is believe in Jesus mean love the world?
Is believe in Jesus mean greed, and billioner, party ? Paul is an Example a man that believe in Jesus, he doesn't care about luxury, all he care is work for the Lord. Peter say he do not have Silverstone or gold is that mean he is billioner? Why don't peter ask billion dollar to God, verse 14 promise what ever you ask God Will do It.
Verse 14 is a promise for believer.
Believer like Paul and Peter not interested in world treasures.
Because believer know that It is temporal wealth and not worth anything.
In the third world where people are poor, some time people kill each other fight for $ 10. For them $10 is very valuable. For rich man like Bill gate, $10 is Nothing, because he have 10 billions in the bank. If you offer him a job with $10 an hour, I guaranty he say No.
Paul and Peter have trillions worth of treasures in their bank in heaven. A place where a thieft can't steal, or bank Will never bankrupt. I Remember some time ago when greece bankrupt, some rich become poor, because their can not take their money from the bank. No wonder believer like Petef not interested in the world treasures
Yes God say ask what ever you want, but He know real believer never greedy and ask earthly wealth.
I Will surprise If Bill gate beg and ask $10.
Why? Because he have 75 billions.
I Will surprise If real believer beg for temporal earthly wealth ($10)
Because he has eternal wealth (more than $75 billions)
That is why Jesus forbid people to collected earthly wealth
Matthew 6:19-21 King James Version (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Yes Jesus say ask anything but Jesus forbid to lay up treasures oN the earth.
Yes Jesus say ask anything you want, but If I am a robber and ask Jesus to lead me and show me what bank
The most profitable to be robbed, that Will proof that I am not a believer and He not obligate to do what I want.
This promise is for believer, and believer is not greedy ask worldly treasures
12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Before verse 14 there is verse 12. Verse 12 start with a command, believe in Me/Jesus
What believe in Jesus mean? Is believe in Jesus mean love the world?
Is believe in Jesus mean greed, and billioner, party ? Paul is an Example a man that believe in Jesus, he doesn't care about luxury, all he care is work for the Lord. Peter say he do not have Silverstone or gold is that mean he is billioner? Why don't peter ask billion dollar to God, verse 14 promise what ever you ask God Will do It.
Verse 14 is a promise for believer.
Believer like Paul and Peter not interested in world treasures.
Because believer know that It is temporal wealth and not worth anything.
In the third world where people are poor, some time people kill each other fight for $ 10. For them $10 is very valuable. For rich man like Bill gate, $10 is Nothing, because he have 10 billions in the bank. If you offer him a job with $10 an hour, I guaranty he say No.
Paul and Peter have trillions worth of treasures in their bank in heaven. A place where a thieft can't steal, or bank Will never bankrupt. I Remember some time ago when greece bankrupt, some rich become poor, because their can not take their money from the bank. No wonder believer like Petef not interested in the world treasures
Yes God say ask what ever you want, but He know real believer never greedy and ask earthly wealth.
I Will surprise If Bill gate beg and ask $10.
Why? Because he have 75 billions.
I Will surprise If real believer beg for temporal earthly wealth ($10)
Because he has eternal wealth (more than $75 billions)
That is why Jesus forbid people to collected earthly wealth
Matthew 6:19-21 King James Version (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Yes Jesus say ask anything but Jesus forbid to lay up treasures oN the earth.
Yes Jesus say ask anything you want, but If I am a robber and ask Jesus to lead me and show me what bank
The most profitable to be robbed, that Will proof that I am not a believer and He not obligate to do what I want.
This promise is for believer, and believer is not greedy ask worldly treasures
I know John wrote revelations. But I was only showing you Paul's counsel on matters such as this.
Brother,
I have already concluded this issue with a prayer. I am surprised the 'Amens' are not already flying in in their numbers. Your amen to my prayer will prove your conviction to me more than any other thing you are going to write.
I am Sorry, I do not understand what do you mean by amen. So do you believe Christian must be earthly millioner?
I believe Christian is trilionner but their bank is not in the earth. Jesus forbid Christian lay up their money in the bank of america or citi bank.
Citi bank do not have enough room for hundred trilions. Jesus want Christian put their trillions dollar to the bank of heaven, that is mean Christian look like poor but rich.
Look like poor because not much money oN the bank of america. but rich because own trillions in the bank of heaven, eternal wealth, not temporal wealth.
If I have billions, i lost 3 dollar, Imam not sad, and I am not working hard for thausand. If you offer me a job and pay me $300 I don't take It, my job earn more then million a day direct deposit to my account in the bank of heaven. Why am I interested in $400 a day. I do not want lose a million dollar a day job in exchange to $400 a day job.
For ordinary person $400 is a very good job. But for believer $ 400 is Nothing compare with what we make when we work for the Lord Jesus.
"Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven"
Lk 18:22
Lk 18:22
Matthew 6:19-21 King James Version (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Brother,
If you do that, you won't be earthly poor either. You are sure to become rich according to God's word. Jesus says give and it shall be given unto you. Not give and you will become poorer.
And come to think of it... Brother, don't tell me you've sold everything you have and have given them all out to the poor except for the clothes you are wearing now.
Be honest please...
So Brother,
You mean you don't work?
Now let me pray specially you...
Since you believe earthly prosperity is not for you,
My prayer for you is that "Let it be unto you according to your faith in Jesus Name!"
It Shall be given unto you direct deposit trillion dollar tax free in the bank of heaven. Jesus not promise to deposit in the bank of america, not enough room.
Jesus forbid us to deposit our money to the bank of america.
LAY NOT = DO NOT DEPOSIT
Matthew 6:19-21 King James Version (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
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Miri
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Interesting thread maybe I can give my thoughts.
I believe that God does want to work through us and bless us so that we
can be a blessing to others and to further God’s work.
It is possible for us as Christians to put ourselves in a place which makes
it difficult for God to do what he wants to do through us and in us and we
can therefore miss out.
Looking at individuals - with great blessings comes great responsibilities.
Those blessings might be financially for some, for others it might mean a
life in poverty but the blessings might come in other ways. For some it will
be a blessing to see how Christ meets all their needs despite circumstances.
It might be spiritual gifts, it might be healing, it might be setting free from
crippling addiction, it could be the joy of seeing many come to Christ.
For parents their children growing up and coming to know Christ is a great
blessing.
There are many riches in Christ but people automatically think this means
money, wealth, land etc. It doesn’t there are many things God blesses us with.
Abraham was told his line would be like the stars in the sky. But this was a
blessing he personally never got to see. He also was tested greatly in that
no children were born until old age. Even then he was tested again by
being asked to give up his son! But was he blessed - yes, and did he multiply - yes.
The early church was persecuted and Christians fed to the lions. But they did
see multiplication! In acts we see for example that as they were persecuted
they spread out and preached the gospel. Were they blessed - yes, was there
multiplication - yes.
God does not give any person more than they can handle. Most people for
example if given a million pounds, would use most of that money for their
own means. If would also make you dependent on wealth instead of God.
On the other hand I think if God knows a person’s heart that they will use
a million pounds to further the kingdom of God and that they will still
remain faithful, then maybe God might have plans to bless them with
Material wealth. The kings of the Old Testament are a good example of
this. Some were good some were bad. Be honest most of us would not
use wealth land etc wisely it would all be about us, not God.
As for corporate bodies churches for example - I do think God has
plans for churches to work with Him and for Him. For some it may be to
remain a small rural church fathfully preaching the gospel week after
week to an elderly congregation. For others it might be that they will
increase and be very influential.
I’ve seen both examples work out in reality.
My own church was blessed by God in a big way, the Work now been
conducted has massively multiplied in all areas. The church is now having
a big influence in the city, taking school assemblies, promoting
the gospel among city officials. Hundreds of children and their families are
visited across the city every week. But the blessings are not for the church to
keep, they are being used for God’s work.
If you want to read the story here it us by the way.
But in short we should not expect God to give us what we want. We
should be asking God what He wants! When we are blessed its never about us!
It’s never about us acquiring more wealth more land, more materials etc.
https://christianchat.com/testimonies/god-has-provided-a-£20-million-church.111548/
I believe that God does want to work through us and bless us so that we
can be a blessing to others and to further God’s work.
It is possible for us as Christians to put ourselves in a place which makes
it difficult for God to do what he wants to do through us and in us and we
can therefore miss out.
Looking at individuals - with great blessings comes great responsibilities.
Those blessings might be financially for some, for others it might mean a
life in poverty but the blessings might come in other ways. For some it will
be a blessing to see how Christ meets all their needs despite circumstances.
It might be spiritual gifts, it might be healing, it might be setting free from
crippling addiction, it could be the joy of seeing many come to Christ.
For parents their children growing up and coming to know Christ is a great
blessing.
There are many riches in Christ but people automatically think this means
money, wealth, land etc. It doesn’t there are many things God blesses us with.
Abraham was told his line would be like the stars in the sky. But this was a
blessing he personally never got to see. He also was tested greatly in that
no children were born until old age. Even then he was tested again by
being asked to give up his son! But was he blessed - yes, and did he multiply - yes.
The early church was persecuted and Christians fed to the lions. But they did
see multiplication! In acts we see for example that as they were persecuted
they spread out and preached the gospel. Were they blessed - yes, was there
multiplication - yes.
God does not give any person more than they can handle. Most people for
example if given a million pounds, would use most of that money for their
own means. If would also make you dependent on wealth instead of God.
On the other hand I think if God knows a person’s heart that they will use
a million pounds to further the kingdom of God and that they will still
remain faithful, then maybe God might have plans to bless them with
Material wealth. The kings of the Old Testament are a good example of
this. Some were good some were bad. Be honest most of us would not
use wealth land etc wisely it would all be about us, not God.
As for corporate bodies churches for example - I do think God has
plans for churches to work with Him and for Him. For some it may be to
remain a small rural church fathfully preaching the gospel week after
week to an elderly congregation. For others it might be that they will
increase and be very influential.
I’ve seen both examples work out in reality.
My own church was blessed by God in a big way, the Work now been
conducted has massively multiplied in all areas. The church is now having
a big influence in the city, taking school assemblies, promoting
the gospel among city officials. Hundreds of children and their families are
visited across the city every week. But the blessings are not for the church to
keep, they are being used for God’s work.
If you want to read the story here it us by the way.
But in short we should not expect God to give us what we want. We
should be asking God what He wants! When we are blessed its never about us!
It’s never about us acquiring more wealth more land, more materials etc.
https://christianchat.com/testimonies/god-has-provided-a-£20-million-church.111548/
I am work because my faith is not AS strong AS Paul.
But Jesus forbid me to lay my treasures upon earth. So what do you think brother are you prosper and rich when you not lay your treasures upon eart? Yes but not earthly rich.
Matthew 6:19-21 King James Version (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Matthew 6:19-21 King James Version (KJV)
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Some one say Christian that not have a faith of Being prosper Will be poor. Be AS your faith
If you have faith to be billioner you Will be billioner.
That is AS wrong AS when I have a faith to rob the bank and by the protection of the Lord police Will never capture me.
If some body say : " Jackson, police Will capture you and put you to jail."
I have a faith God Will protect me.
Led compare with this statement
I have a faith to be billioner.
God say lay not up your treasures oN earth, but I have a faith God Will help me to lay my treasures oN earth. What a beautiful faith I have.
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19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Some one say Christian that not have a faith of Being prosper Will be poor. Be AS your faith
If you have faith to be billioner you Will be billioner.
That is AS wrong AS when I have a faith to rob the bank and by the protection of the Lord police Will never capture me.
If some body say : " Jackson, police Will capture you and put you to jail."
I have a faith God Will protect me.
Led compare with this statement
I have a faith to be billioner.
God say lay not up your treasures oN earth, but I have a faith God Will help me to lay my treasures oN earth. What a beautiful faith I have.
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