What should our views be on LGBT
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I asked you how do you love them? I see you have not answered. it should be very easy to answer how do you love those who are homosexuals. That is very easy to say, but much harder to show Biblically; for some.
Dont even love the community. Love the individuals. Looking through sone comments here i can see why so many will not b recognised by God. Wake up people. Stop protecting unrigtiousness. We have to speak truth and clarity. God wont accept luke warm wannabe bretheren. Stop compromising with the enemy!
The Bible explicitly states this kind of behavior is an abomination to God!! All go directly against a heterosexual marriage as the only acceptable sexual relationship. All others desecrate the concept of God's definition of marriage and proper sexual relationship. Sex only inside an heterosexual marriage. Sex prior to marriage seems to destroy trust. The it's OK for me but not for you concept blows away trust. Too many are more judgmental about others and excuse their own failures.
wrong you can't justify a sin for another sin. same old strawman.
I mearly stated what the Bible stated about this sin and why. Where did I say I was justifying any sin? Are you trying to say the Bible didn't say what I claimed? Here is Jesus talking about marriage.
Matthew 19 NIV
Divorce
19 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
Here is more about homosexual relations.
Here are 4 more sets of verses about homosexual relations. There are several more.
Leviticus 18
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
1 Corinthians 6
8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Romans 1 NIV
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Here are 4 more sets of verses about homosexual relations. There are several more.
Leviticus 18
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20
13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
1 Corinthians 6
8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Romans 1 NIV
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
anytime the topic of gay or LGBTQ comes to a thread , the Cloche of " I think enough Christians are condemning LGBT (aren't there more letters now?) I want to try love. "
I will ask you as I have asked the others how do you love them. ?
A Christian is supposed to love the sinner and hate the sin. We all mess up and sin. We then ask forgiveness and try not to repeat it. LGBTQIA+ to intentionally include and raise awareness of Queer, Intersex and Asexual as well as myriad other communities under our umbrella. These are not stumbling and sinning but lifestyle way of life. These people are almost all atheists. They reject God and the morality in the Bible. The problem as Paul stated about himself is we have the law of God in our mind but the law of sin lives there also. Therefore we all end up sinning aka breaking the law of God. Only grace through faith in Jesus erases the sin from us. Thank you Jesus. Woe to those at judgement time for those who reject Jesus.
Romans 7 NIV
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
- Wrong I disagree they are not life style they are sexual preferences and false narrative . They are lies that people have come to give credence to. So how do you show them Love?
- I understand what a Christian is to do but how do you do it?
Please explain the difference to me of life style and sexual preferences. To me life style includes sexual preferences. I as a Christian agree that it is a false narrative. We are commanded to love all. You give them love the same way you do for all non Christians. Be a friend and do nothing judgemental. That is the heart of being a good evangelist. Took several classes over the years about spreading the gospel person to person. Details differ but all start by being a real friend to them. They should see the difference in you then they will be more open to receiving the gospel message after they comment on it.
for one it is not a life style that was given it by the APA were they have a bunch of homosexuals who serve on the board. Two the APA is not known for it's Biblical support. Sexual preferences was my ways of saying nicely sexual perversion. Again you say “were commanded to love all” yet you have not said what that love is. "Be a friend and do nothing judgmental”. If your idea of a friend is to lie to them?
That is not a friend. That is called being a part of the self-deception. Jesus was good at evangelism and I cannot think where he did not tell those who he loved the truth about them. The women at the well pointed out her sin did he not. Did not Jesus say “ Go and sin no more to many people And said “ less something worst happen to you”. take all the classes you want . the idea that you would not call sin sin just to make them feel better about the sin they do? is so wrong on many levels they are suffering and we are playing games with them.
transgender 70% commit suicide Transgender is a false narrative, a cognitive dilemma and abandonment of reality. And a supported by those who know it is but do not want to tell them the truth. So the coddle them and that does not help them. When they are out of school away from the unrealistic setup in Public schools, they cannot make it. The sad thing is many Christians , parents, and teachers are to blame . That is not love that is of the devil.
Telling the truth is the best form of love you can show a person lying to them is the most unfriendly thing to do to aperson because it says " you are so stuipd I'm going to tell you this lie and you will believe it." a form of goddliness but denying the power therof
You are very good at putting words in my mouth I never stated. You don't lie to them!!! You just avoid the topic of their sins like your friends do with you. I was taught this in 3 different classes on evangelism the churches held I went to. The idea is to be their friend. Blasting them with what Christianity calls a sin will just turn them off and want nothing to do with you. You are to give them love not hatred which is how they would perceive telling them their sins. It is an immediate killing of their trust in you. You are now the enemy. At that point how do you convince them otherwise. Each of the following steps should be done prayerfully.
1. Give them love as commanded.
2. Be their true friend.
3. Don't attack them by pointing out their sins because that will terminate the relationship.
4. Let them see your life style not explain it to them.
5. Let them ask where your joy in living comes from.
6. Time to give them the gospel message.
The first 4 generates the request that answering allows the gospel message be a sharing moment requested by them. This technique works. You are setting up for them to ask for the gospel message. Cold calling almost always is rejected. I went to over 20 houses in a country wide evengalism event. Got 1 possible nibble that I had to turn over to someone else since I was sent out of town for work. One person told me he never made mistakes.
OK avoid the topic of their sin, did Jesus do that? You assume much, you do not know my friends. As far as Evangelism, how often do you put into action the three classes? the idea from your perspective 3 4, 5, and 6 are not done. How many friends have you seen converted and set free from homosexuality? You assume one is like Yelling on the street corner " REPENT!". That is not very effective evangelism.
For my gay family member who knows I am a minister and welcome to my church and home . have asked me to do the wedding ceremony for them (same-sex ) they have came to my home my church family events Christmas Thanksgiving etc. I told them I cannot do the ceremony for them. Of course, they were very understanding not. The attacks name calling homophobe etc.... Would you have done the ceremony ?
No, I wouldn't have done the ceremony. Straight people make enough of a mockery of marriage, so why enable the alphabet people to make even more of a mockery of it? God never intended for 2 men to be married to each other, nor 2 women to each other... Alphabet people should not be allowed to marry OR have kids.. They just further pervert the sanctity of marriage, as well as the family unit.. God intended marriage to between a MAN and a WOMAN, and for children to have a mommy and a daddy.
Marriage is no longer the same. We look at it from a Christian perspective as a bond for life ordained by God. Spiritual in nature but we are the minority in this now days. To many it's temporary and can be canceled at most any time and all it takes is a little money (in the USA) or it's a business transaction. Some get married for money, others like some receiving pensions or SSI will loose benefits and choose not to get LEGALY married. For them there is now what's called commitment of vows ceremony which is neither legal nor illegal.
I worked at a wedding chapel in Vegas 7 years so I've seen all types. Like it or not we (in the USA) live in an agnostic nation that has no legal regard for God, the Bible or spirituality. Our currency says "In God We Trust" but on the back is the all seeing eye from Free Masonry. Money is our Nations God! As Christians we can boycott LBGTQ weddings but passing laws for religious reasons is un-constitutional. People also get married for immigration purposes, mail order brides etc. Men also receive hefty dowry's to marry foreign women. The contract (often enforced by organized crime) is only for 5 years. Sure, it's illegal but proof is required to prosecute.
As long as we live in the world we must try not to become part of the world because the world as we know it is going to come to a crashing halt, at least that's the way I've read it, a new beginning will start when Jesus returns, soon I hope. I am anti gay but I AM NOT ANTI GAYS. Being more than a guest at a friends or family members wedding is like co-signing or being an accessory if you think it should be a crime. If I didn't approve, I wouldn't do it. Gay, straight or sideways. Nope! Nor would I approve of an anti-Christian marrying a Christian for that matter. That'll be all from me about this for a while. Thanks for reading my diatribe.
Marrage was instituted by God in Genesis, It existed before the fall of man in the garden.
God created man in his image, and then he said it's not good for him to be alone and created him a help-meet she was called woman because she was created from Adams rib.
Then the 2 became 1 and that's the reason a man and woman should leave their parents and become one.
It's a sacred institution between a man and a woman For companionship and growing closer to God.
Marriage is like the trinity of God, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,
In a marriage it's God, The husband and the Wife. Well it should be anyway, I think most people enter into marriage forgetting that God is supposed to be a part of it.
The reason for one man and one woman. It doesn't cause gender confusion.
the children have an example of a man and how he is supposed to be, and an example of a woman and how she is supposed to be.
They learn how to establish relationships and how to treat someone of the opposite gender by watching how mom and dad act together. You really can't have a complete family with a single parent. That's why its so important for people to consider the consequences of their actions before entering a relationship.
You notice also the rolls, Adam worked in the garden tilling the ground, The husband is responsible for the provision of his family. The Physical Provision, Eve took an apple when she saw it was good to eat... although she was tricked by the serpent and lead to the fall of the creation.
It demonstrates that she is responsible for taking care of her family in the home.
Here is the difference between men and women, Men are physically minded, Women are spiritually minded.
Men have habits tended to sports and fighting, and winning trophies. It's their nature because God created them to work outside the home and look after providing for their families.
Women are Spiritually minded, the do the cooking and sewing, Not because they enjoy the work, but because they know their family is taken care of and that their work is appreciate by their family.
When a man wants intimacy he wants to get laid, when a woman wants intimacy, she wants to connect on a spiritual level with her husband and her family, to know she is loved and appreciated.
As for transgenders, it's simply a descision they make, it could be because they choose to rebel against God, or they come from broken homes and didn't have a roll model to show them how someone of their gender is supposed to be. It might even stem from a long history of abuse that they never dealt with and the post traumatic stress is catching up with them.
Hope this helps.
There are people who have become Christians and daily fight the homosexual urges. So there is hope for them. You might want to research how this was accomplished.
I would point out to them the Biblical passages about homosexuality and tell them you are bound by the word of God. That is not homophobic. That is putting God first. I take it they are not Christians. Therefore they might not want to hear it but they need to understand the word of God is what you as a minister must follow in spite of your affection for them.