Sons of God in Genesis 6 and Job

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dcontroversal

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We have one instance where it seems to apply to angels: Job 38:7. Even that is almost poetic and may mean something other than what we believe. We also have a scripture where God does not call angels sons:

Heb. 1:5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"

So all your bantering about Gen. 6 and Job 1 & 2 is still nothing more than assumption. It also steals from the perception of God's power, which the spirit world knows well of.

2 Tim. 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." :cool:
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Bantering about Gen. 6 and Job 1 & 2?

I suggest you lay off the juice pal....I never said a word about Genesis and or Job
 
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Do you know they didn't go on to repossess, are you saying its a one time deal? Only one possession is allowed?
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lol, no i gave three options...
 
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lol, you do realize that the things in Rev. 5:5-12 state that these things were sealed and none could look on it until after Jesus was crucified and that chapter 12 would then need to be fulfilled after he was caught up right?
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Wrong, Revelation is not chronologically linear. The seals in Rev. 5 are plagues that are released onto the world.
 
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lol, no i gave three options...
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you gave three options? Interesting just because satan came with the sons of God doesn't mean they were the ones casted out. satan was able to tempt Jesus so he can incircle any wagon.
 
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Wrong, Revelation is not chronologically linear. The seals in Rev. 5 are plagues that are released onto the world.
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Deade said:
Wrong, Revelation is not chronologically linear. The seals in Rev. 5 are plagues that are released onto the world.
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but none were found to loose the seals,or look thereon until the lamb was found worthy because he was slain correct?
 
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So you don't claim "sons of God" are angels View attachment 187514
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If you think the SONS of GOD are men WHEN i speaks of them SINGING when GOD cast down the earth in CREATION the burden is on YOU to explain....regardless....you made a mouthy comment and accused me of blathering on about something that I had not even mentioned.......
 
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dcontroversal said:
If you think the SONS of GOD are men WHEN i speaks of them SINGING when GOD cast down the earth in CREATION the burden is on YOU to explain....regardless....you made a mouthy comment and accused me of blathering on about something that I had not even mentioned.......
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That's because you still believe they are sons of God.
 
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That's because you still believe they are sons of God.
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How do you know what I believe? Why don't you enlighten me on what I BELIEVE.....go ahead and explain!
 
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if you ask a question it is assumed you are one of the teachers presenting a strange proverb,especially if it is diffacult to answer...
 
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dcontroversal said:
If you think the SONS of GOD are men WHEN i speaks of them SINGING when GOD cast down the earth in CREATION the burden is on YOU to explain....regardless....you made a mouthy comment and accused me of blathering on about something that I had not even mentioned.......
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Genesis 6 and Job 1 and 2 are the only places other than Job 38 where "sons of God" are even mentioned. I say it is a stretch to apply that to cherubim or seraphim. I did not try to interpret Job 38 about the singers, I just left it alone.

I also do not establish doctrine on one instance of scripture. It can be misunderstood and It goes against advice elsewhere.

John 8:17 "It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true."

Matt. 18:16 "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established."

2 Cor. 13:1 "This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." :cool:
 
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How do you know what I believe? Why don't you enlighten me on what I BELIEVE.....go ahead and explain!
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You spoke about them singing, so what else I'm I to think? you seem to want to defend the notion.
 
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Genesis 6 and Job 1 and 2 are the only places other than Job 38 where "sons of God" are even mentioned. I say it is a stretch to apply that to cherubim or seraphim. I did not try to interpret Job 38 about the singers, I just left it alone.

I also do not establish doctrine on one instance of scripture. It can be misunderstood and It goes against advice elsewhere.

John 8:17 "It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true."

Matt. 18:16 "But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established."

2 Cor. 13:1 "This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." :cool:
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Sure and the context of two or three witnesses according to law is for what purpose?....and the last time I checked EVERY WORD of God is inspired and profitable......it is not unbiblical to establish doctrine on ONE verse...for example....

In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth.

It is MEN that must establish everything in the mouth of two or three witnesses......God can say ONE thing and it be true and valid as a witness........
 
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iamsoandso said:
This is not a yes or no answer,,,but i will read it my thousandth and first time if you like...
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Yes, the lamb was the only one worthy to open the seals. But it has nothing to do with the casting down of Satan and his third. Again, Rev. 12 is an overview of the whole history of mankind. Satan's being cast down is only relevant to how it affects us. By the time Satan appeared as a serpent in the Garden of Eden, he was already fallen.

Eze. 28:14-17 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."

This shows Satan was in charge of God government (mountain). The earth became empty and void because of his mismanagement. God then re-created the earth and put man in charge (see Gen. 1:26). Satan now runs the world system by influencing man, without man's knowledge. He has but a short time left. :)
 
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You spoke about them singing, so what else I'm I to think? you seem to want to defend the notion.
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I quoted a verse and made the biblical stance that ONLY ADAM is called a son of God in the O.T. and after that men are called the Sons of men or man....so....who is present when GOD casts down creation? It is not until the N.T. that MEN are identified as the Sons of God.....believers that is....SO...when the SONS of GOD sang as creation was cast down....who were they?

2 options....MEN or Angels........................
 
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I quoted a verse and made the biblical stance that ONLY ADAM is called a son of God in the O.T. and after that men are called the Sons of men or man....so....who is present when GOD casts down creation? It is not until the N.T. that MEN are identified as the Sons of God.....believers that is....SO...when the SONS of GOD sang as creation was cast down....who were they?

2 options....MEN or Angels........................
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men IMO and you?
 
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Before the creation of man, yes even satan was part of those sons of God before the casting out of heaven but after they rebelled NO they lost that title, you can defend that title if you like, I'm not.
 
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