Sons of God in Genesis 6 and Job

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Deade said:
You are drawing on assumption, just because Satan was present does not mean they were angels gathering in Job 1. You do not realize you are denying the power of God when you say angels (ie. cherubim) can mate with humans. Even if they had the capacity they would not be allowed as Job shows us. Even the demons must operate within the boundaries set by God.

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lol, thats why I ask about their chronology first you see if the events in Job are prior to Moses(and they are) then in fact Moses afterwards wrote Genesis 6:4 and gave the additional information about the sons of God. Looking at it the other way the sons of God are in a meeting presenting themselves to God and then returning to earth...
 
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They lost that title being called an angel, you give them power like they are gods or something. only God has the power to transform into human,

Fallen angels/sons of God, that concept is riddled with flaws. satan and demons can tempt or even possess not alter DNA of humans. that's what they want you to believe they have power do things like God. they don't.
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Your view leads to the devaluation of human life. If you don't believe that all humans are made in the image of God, you have a much-diminished basis on which to battle abortion, euthanasia, charitable support of the needy, or even evangelism.
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Adam didn't fall in the garden?

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
 
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lol, thats why I ask about their chronology first you see if the events in Job are prior to Moses(and they are) then in fact Moses afterwards wrote Genesis 6:4 and gave the additional information about the sons of God. Looking at it the other way the sons of God are in a meeting presenting themselves to God and then returning to earth...
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Now you are assuming this meeting was in heaven and not on earth. Here are the verses:

Job 1:6, 7 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

It kind of looks like it is on earth. Satan was already cast down and imprisoned on the earth. You think God would allow Satan in heaven? You think Satan was regularly reporting to God with his accusations. Nonsense. If God had not inquired, Satan would not have spoken.

James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." :cool:
 
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John146 said:
Adam didn't fall in the garden?

48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
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Sure Adam fell, but God has always left a way for those really seeking Him to find Him. Like Enoch and Noah. If God promised anything to anyone, He promises the same to everyone (see 2 Peter 1:20).

2 Chr. 15:2 "And he went out to meet Asa, and said unto him, Hear ye me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin; The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you." :)
 
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I don't see anywhere this relates to Genesis 6 or angels mating. It just speaks of rebellious angels, which we already know of. You are reading something in that is just not there. :cool:
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It says that the rebellious angels are in chains, in darkness, until judgment day.

That means that they are not mating or interacting with humans as some suppose.

Are you saying that this verse is not true? That they are not in chains, in darkness, but roaming around freely?

They are in chains, or they are not, which is it?

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qUOTE="Deade, post: 3695586, member: 265041"]Now you are assuming this meeting was in heaven and not on earth. Here are the verses:

Job 1:6, 7 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

It kind of looks like it is on earth. Satan was already cast down and imprisoned on the earth. You think God would allow Satan in heaven? You think Satan was regularly reporting to God with his accusations. Nonsense. If God had not inquired, Satan would not have spoken.

James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." :cool:[/QUOTE]


lol, Rev. 12:12-13(after the woman brought forth the man child) thats when the scripture says no more was there found a place in heaven...

i didn't say where the meeting/presenting took place from job 1&2,Moon,Mars,passing comet ect. Heaven? Satin says where he was before he got there(he says earth) and then leaves Gods presence(Job 1:12) and goes to where job and his family and friends are(earth).

Again viewing it opposite(sons of God=saints) would mean that the saints/s.o.G. went to present themselves in Gods presence then returned to earth but not Job,his family nor friends they were being pointed out to satin by God and so satin returned to earth where they were and preformed the acts as job 1&2 states...
 
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Did a blog on this subject some time ago, you can find it Here
 
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It says that the rebellious angels are in chains, in darkness, until judgment day.

That means that they are not mating or interacting with humans as some suppose.

Are you saying that this verse is not true? That they are not in chains, in darkness, but roaming around freely?

They are in chains, or they are not, which is it?

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That tells of some imprisoned, we know that is not all of them. Some were roaming around earth in Jesus' day.

Mark 5:9 "And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many."

Just one of the many possession stories. :cool:
 
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That tells of some imprisoned, we know that is not all of them. Some were roaming around earth in Jesus' day.

Mark 5:9 "And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many."

Just one of the many possession stories. :cool:
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And those demons couldn't even stop the pigs from drowning interesting.
 
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very interesting,,,after they drowned did the demons go on to repossess others or were they then bound in chains(or judged before their time)? lol
 
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iamsoandso said: lol, Rev. 12:12-13(after the woman brought forth the man child) thats when the scripture says no more was there found a place in heaven...

i didn't say where the meeting/presenting took place from job 1&2,Moon,Mars,passing comet ect. Heaven? Satin says where he was before he got there(he says earth) and then leaves Gods presence(Job 1:12) and goes to where job and his family and friends are(earth).

Again viewing it opposite(sons of God=saints) would mean that the saints/s.o.G. went to present themselves in Gods presence then returned to earth but not Job,his family nor friends they were being pointed out to satin by God and so satin returned to earth where they were and preformed the acts as job 1&2 states...
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Rev. 12 covers the war in heaven, Satan and the third cast down to earth, the forming of the Church, Jesus coming, the persecution of the Church and the defeat of Satan's army. It covers most of the 6-7 thousand years of our history.

No, saints don't go to heaven to present themselves to God. God comes to them.
Matt. 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

What you are having trouble with where Satan is allowed. He was imprisoned on the earth before the Garden of Eden. What makes you think God will allow a fallen angel to go in and out of heaven?
Rev. 12:13a "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth,"

You've got to get you head out of the clouds and look at what was going on. :rolleyes:
 
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Just a side not that most deny and it amazes me....

Adam is called the SON of GOD....after that and until Christ ALL MEN are the sons of MAN or MEN......It is not until the N.T. that the phrase SONS of GOD is fully and biblically applied unto MEN who have been saved.......yet this totally gets swept under the table and or rejected........WHY is that?????
 
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iamsoandso said:
very interesting,,,after they drowned did the demons go on to repossess others or were they then bound in chains(or judged before their time)? lol
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When scripture does not tell us something we are better not to assume. That is how all these wild stories come about. Maybe it is none of our business, but quit trying to limit God's power with demons running all amok. :)
 
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Rev. 12 covers the war in heaven, Satan and the third cast down to earth, the forming of the Church, Jesus coming, the persecution of the Church and the defeat of Satan's army. It covers most of the 6-7 thousand years of our history.

No, saints don't go to heaven to present themselves to God. God comes to them.
Matt. 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

What you are having trouble with where Satan is allowed. He was imprisoned on the earth before the Garden of Eden. What makes you think God will allow a fallen angel to go in and out of heaven?
Rev. 12:13a "And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth,"

You've got to get you head out of the clouds and look at what was going on. :rolleyes:
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lol, you do realize that the things in Rev. 5:5-12 state that these things were sealed and none could look on it until after Jesus was crucified and that chapter 12 would then need to be fulfilled after he was caught up right?
 
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very interesting,,,after they drowned did the demons go on to repossess others or were they then bound in chains(or judged before their time)? lol
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Do you know they didn't go on to repossess, are you saying its a one time deal? Only one possession is allowed?
 
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dcontroversal said:
Just a side not that most deny and it amazes me....

Adam is called the SON of GOD....after that and until Christ ALL MEN are the sons of MAN or MEN......It is not until the N.T. that the phrase SONS of GOD is fully and biblically applied unto MEN who have been saved.......yet this totally gets swept under the table and or rejected........WHY is that?????
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We have one instance where it seems to apply to angels: Job 38:7. Even that is almost poetic and may mean something other than what we believe. We also have a scripture where God does not call angels sons:

Heb. 1:5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"

So all your bantering about Gen. 6 and Job 1 & 2 is still nothing more than assumption. It also steals from the perception of God's power, which the spirit world knows well of.

2 Tim. 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." :cool:
 
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