Not By Works

Seohce · Aug 27, 2018

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES THAT PROMOTES DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD AND REJECTS AND NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS AND COMMANDS. (mark 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24)

SO DO NOT LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU...FOR THE WRATH OF GOD COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT.(Ephesians 5:6)

OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL LIFE FOR THOSE WHO OBEY HIM (Hebrews 5:8-9) SAID:

Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD ; OBEY IT and REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

JESUS HAVE NOT FOUND THEIR DEEDS "COMPLETE" IN THE EYES OF GOD.

THEN HE TOLD THEM TO "OBEY" WHAT THEY RECEIVED AND HEARD AND TO REPENT.

JESUS WAS SPEAKING HERE TO ONE OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES AND WE KNOW THAT THE "CHURCH" IS THE BODY OF CHRIST WHOM HE WILL SAVE. (eph 5:23)

WHY WILL HE SAY THAT THEIR DEEDS ARE NOT COMPLETE IF WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION AND THAT "FAITH ALONE" SAVES?

WHY WOULD JESUS COMMAND THEM TO OBEY AND REPENT IF IT
IS NO LONGER NECESSARY SINCE THEY ARE SAVED ETERNALLY? (OSAS)

IS JESUS IGNORANT OF THIS DOCTRINE OR IS IT CONTRARY TO HIS TEACHINGS AND COMMANDS AND THEREFORE ARE JUST FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS?

JESUS AND HIS FATHER REQUIRE SOME WORKS TO BE COMPLETED AND ASKED FOR OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE.

Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

Malachi 3:14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty?

GOD REQUIRES OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE IN OUR PART OTHERWISE HIS WRATH WILL COME ON THOSE WHO ARE "DISOBEDIENT".(eph 5:6 )

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.

2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

DO NOT BE DECEIVED... GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...WE REAP WHAT WE SOW...(Galatians 6:7-10)

NOW IF FAITH ALONE SAVES AND ONCE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED, DOES THIS PASSAGE BELOW CONTRADICT THESE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE OR DO YOU REJECT IT OR TWIST IT TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD FIT YOUR DOCTRINE?

Matthew 24:9-14 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time MANY WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, THE LOVE OF MOST WILL GROW COLD, but HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED . And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

MANY WHO HAS FAITH WILL TURN AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH.

ARE THEY STILL SAVED AFTER TURNING AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH(ALONE)?

DO YOU MOCK GOD AND REJECT THESE VERSES BELOW?

Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD..

"LET GOD BE TRUE..." (Romans 3:3-4)

Seohce · Aug 27, 2018

WHAT A SHAME. NOTICE AND WATCH THESE OSAS PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS WHO CLAIM AND DECLARE THAT “FAITH ALONE” SAVES AND IT IS “NOT BY WÒRKS” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE, WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND COLLECTS TITHES FROM THEIR MEMBERS SAYING THAT IF THEY WOULD NOT GIVE TITHES, THEY ARE ROBBING GOD.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.

..THAT TITHE-GIVING IS A TEST OF FAITH AND THAT GOD WILL BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY BECAUSE WHAT THEY GIVE WILL COME BACK TO THEM IN GOOD MEASURE AND RUNNING OVER.(luke 6:38)

“NOT BY WORKS” OF THE LAW, THEY SAY, BUT THEY COLLECT TITHES ACCORDING TO THE LAW WHILE AT THE SAME TIME CLAIM THAT THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.

THEY HAVE CREATED A MAN MADE DOCTRINE PASSED ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION OUT OF A GOD-GIVEN LAW FOR HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE.

THAT’S HOW THESE VIPERS IN THEIR GREED AND HYPOCRISY DECEIVE THEIR PREYS.(UNKNOWING VICTIMS)

THEY THINK THEY CAN BRIBE GOD.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

THESE VIPERS WILL STILL BE SAVED ACCORDING TO THE OSAS DOCTRINE…

...WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or GREEDY, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or GREEDY person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.

MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)

DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;

“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE

DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES!!!

3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”

posthuman · Aug 27, 2018

Studyman said:

((you've never heard of John the baptist?))
((7,000 reserved, dude))

the first Adam was not deceived. the Bible says so.
that makes two of them.

so if you think he was deceived, there's something wrong with what you think.
simple.
can i offer you directions to someone who can fix it for you? He's a carpenter.

it's free; no fee.

Adam is a type of Christ. the Bible says so.
how, do you think?
what's your opinion about how Adam portrays Christ?

VCO · Aug 27, 2018

Studyman said:

Neither Shamah. nor myself have ever taught "justification by works", rather, I think we should do as the Master says since He is superior to me in every way.

Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

This would also mean images of God in the likeness of man, man made religious traditions, man made religious High Days, our pride, our idols.

This doesn't mean to forsake any of God's Word like the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's Time did. It means to give up "OUR" thought and be renewed in our mind to the "mind that is in Christ".

Rom. 11:
3 Lord, they (Levite Priests) have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

Like the Wiese men, Zechariahs, Simion, Anna, there were many more who knew the Christ.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

The Jews were still depending on their version of the Priesthood with it's "Works" of the Law for remission of sins. They couldn't accept the replacement of the Levitical Priesthood with the Spirit of the person they just killed.

But you have been convinced that the Jews were trying to by justified by Following All of God's Laws. Rejecting the very Word's of the Christ Himself.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

I am not getting around this verse, I embrace it knowing what the Christ said about the Mainstream Preachers of His time. It is my hope that you might also think about His words.

The Jews were "cutoff" because they didn't believe what was written. God is no respecter of persons.

Rom. 11:
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Many, who come in Christ's name, don't "believe" this.

Let's make this as simple as I can:

Do you Believe you are ETERNALLY SAVED, the VERY DAY YOU FIRST GENUINELY BELIEVED?

OR Do you believe you are Genuine SAVED AFTER you have enough examples of Works?

OR Do you believe you are NOT Genuinely SAVED until the END of your life so you can be Judged?

posthuman · Aug 27, 2018

Studyman said:

and yet "sin entered the world through one man" -- not the Woman -- an undeceived man.

posthuman · Aug 27, 2018

GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES said:

it is amazing to see people come to a thread called "not by works" adamantly gunning for an argument, yes.

and it goes on. and on. they go on, anon..

posthuman · Aug 27, 2018

mailmandan said:

amen, look -

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

(John 3:14-15)

as the serpent raised in the wilderness. all those signs at the sportsball games should read John 3:14-16, at least, not just verse 16.
just as the serpent raised in the wilderness

So the people came to Moses and said,

“We have sinned, because we have spoken against the LORD and you; intercede with the LORD, that He may remove the serpents from us.”

And Moses interceded for the people.

Then the LORD said to Moses,

“Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live.”

And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived.

(Numbers 21:7-9)

like that, look! just like that!

posthuman · Aug 27, 2018

posthuman said:

posthuman · Aug 27, 2018

one like Moses has come ♥

Shamah · Aug 27, 2018

Acts 7:37-38, “This is the Mosheh who said to the children of Yisra’yl, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear.’ This is he who was in the assembly in the wilderness with the Messenger who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, who received the living Words to give to us.”

John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

Cee · Aug 27, 2018

posthuman said:

Scripture says that Moses will actually be the accuser for those who refused to come to Jesus.

Shamah · Aug 27, 2018

Cee said:

Mosheh accuses them because Mosheh said Yahshua was "The PROPHET" we muct hear and obey, and they refused...

John 5:45-47,“45 “Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Mosheh, in whom you have set your expectation."46 “For if you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, since he wrote about Me."47 “But if you do not believe his writings, how shall you believe My words?”

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”

Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”

Seohce · Aug 27, 2018

The Faith of the Centurion

5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”

7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”

8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But JUST SAY THE WORD., and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”

10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.

IS THIS THE KIND OF FAITH THESE “WALKING DEAD” THEOLOGY TEACHES?

DO THEY ACKNOWLEDGE AUTHORITY WHENEVER THEY SAY THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS NEVER A PART OF SALVATION?

romans 13

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

...DO THEY SAY TO GOD, “JUST SAY THE WORD…?

NO! THEY WOULD REJECT THE WORD AND BELIEVE RATHER ON FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES.

THE LORD JESUS SAID;

matthew 19

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

john 14

15 “If you love me, keep my commands

luke 6

46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

VCO · Aug 27, 2018

Shamah said:

No, HE caused the Holy Spirit to birth our Dead Human Spirit, into Eternal Life. As our NEW Born Again Human Spirit WILL be become DOMINANT over the Mind of the Flesh. The Dominant Characteristic or NEW NATURE of the Born Again Human Spirit, IS TO LOVE THE LORD, which is being Obedient to Him, 1 John 5:3, 1 John 2:3-5.

John 14:15 (ESV)
15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

Only Born Again Christians have the capacity to LOVE GOD with the same type of AGAPE LOVE that HE HAD HIS HOLY SPIRIT POUR INTO OUR HEARTS Rom. 5:5, THE MOMENT HE BIRTHED OUR ONCE DEAD HUMAN SPIRIT INTO ETERNAL LIFE. And the OVER-WHELMING majority of the Bible Translations have it correctly interpreted WILL KEEP, implying it is PART OF THE NEW NATURE OF OUR BORN AGAIN HUMAN SPIRIT. You have to be Born Again to LOVE like that, and you have to Born Again, to have the NEW NATURE of Wanting to Keep His Commandments OUT OF PURE LOVE FOR HIM.

Any of our MOTIVES besides PURE LOVE FOR HIM, is nothing but FILTHY RAGS to GOD.

Look at these that NEVER had that PURE LOVE FOR HIM, and they were supposedly doing the Right Things, and HE CAST THEM OUT.

Matthew 7:21-23 (HCSB)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

That is the inner, personal, LOVE relationship 🡹 between Him as LORD and the truly Born Again Believers, that those He was talking about absolutely lacked. The only thing they lacked was LOVE, other than that THEY DID THE SUPPOSED RIGHT THINGS.

Shamah · Aug 27, 2018

VCO said:

No, HE caused the Holy Spirit to birth our Dead Human Spirit, into Eternal Life. As our NEW Born Again Human Spirit WILL be become DOMINANT over the Mind of the Flesh. The Dominant Characteristic or NEW NATURE of the Born Again Human Spirit, IS TO LOVE THE LORD, which is being Obedient to Him, 1 John 5:3, 1 John 2:3-5.

John 14:15 (ESV)
15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

Only Born Again Christians have the capacity to LOVE GOD with the same type of AGAPE LOVE that HE HAD HIS HOLY SPIRIT POUR INTO OUR HEARTS Rom. 5:5, THE MOMENT HE BIRTHED OUR ONCE DEAD HUMAN SPIRIT INTO ETERNAL LIFE. And the OVER-WHELMING majority of the Bible Translations have it correctly interpreted WILL KEEP, implying it is PART OF THE NEW NATURE OF OUR BORN AGAIN HUMAN SPIRIT. You have to be Born Again to LOVE like that, and you have to Born Again, to have the NEW NATURE of Wanting to Keep His Commandments OUT OF PURE LOVE FOR HIM.

Any of our MOTIVES besides PURE LOVE FOR HIM, is nothing but FILTHY RAGS to GOD.

Look at these that NEVER had that PURE LOVE FOR HIM, and they were supposedly doing the Right Things, and HE CAST THEM OUT.

Matthew 7:21-23 (HCSB)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

That is the inner, personal, LOVE relationship 🡹 between Him as LORD and the truly Born Again Believers, that those He was talking about absolutely lacked. The only thing they lacked was LOVE, other than that THEY DID THE SUPPOSED RIGHT THINGS.

SO Im wrong because when I read His words I know they are right"

Umm, maybe it is because I miss spelled "spirit"?

"Their spieir will not seek things that are not of Him and His path"

it was supposed to read:

" Their spirit will not seek things that are not of Him and His path "

maybe you are looking for reason to say im wrong, straining at a gnat maybe?

preston39 · Aug 27, 2018

posthuman said:

p...,

Not sure of your reason for this post but, I think it raised more questions than information.

VCO · Aug 27, 2018

Shamah said:

You have to Be BORN AGAIN, before you have an eternal living spirit.

How do you know you are Born Again?

What type of Church do you Attend?

Shamah · Aug 27, 2018

VCO said:

Incorrect quote:

John 3:3-6, “Yahshua answered, and said to him: Truly, truly, I say to you: Unless a man is reborn from above, he cannot see the Kingdom of YHWH. Nicodemus said to Him; How can a man be reborn when he is old? Can he enter the womb of his mother the second time, and be born? Yahshua answered: Truly, truly, I say to you: “Unless a man is begotten of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of YHWH. That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; but that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit.”

VCO said:

Born again is this:

1 Peter 1:3-9, “Blessed be the Strength and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused us to be born again to a living expectation through the resurrection of יהושע Messiah from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and unfading, having been kept in the heavens for you, who are protected by the power of Yah through belief, for a deliverance (salvation) ready to be revealed in the last time, in which you exult, even though for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by manifold trials, in order that the proving of your belief – much more precious than gold that perishes, and proven by fire – might be found to result in praise and respect and esteem at the revelation of יהושע Messiah, whom having not seen, you love; in whom you exult with unspeakable and esteemed joy, yet not seeing, but believing, obtaining the goal of your belief: a deliverance of lives.”

Now I know that goes against feel good main stream doctrine but it is Scripture...

VCO said:

The same one Yahshua attends. Believers, YHWH, Yahshua and the Spirit of YHWH...

Buildings don't make an ecclesia, the holy Spirit of YHWH does.

Cee · Aug 27, 2018

Shamah said:

Incorrect quote:

John 3:3-6, “Yahshua answered, and said to him: Truly, truly, I say to you: Unless a man is reborn from above, he cannot see the Kingdom of YHWH. Nicodemus said to Him; How can a man be reborn when he is old? Can he enter the womb of his mother the second time, and be born? Yahshua answered: Truly, truly, I say to you: “Unless a man is begotten of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of YHWH. That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; but that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit.”

Born again is this:

1 Peter 1:3-9, “Blessed be the Strength and Father of our Master יהושע Messiah, who according to His great compassion has caused us to be born again to a living expectation through the resurrection of יהושע Messiah from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and unfading, having been kept in the heavens for you, who are protected by the power of Yah through belief, for a deliverance (salvation) ready to be revealed in the last time, in which you exult, even though for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by manifold trials, in order that the proving of your belief – much more precious than gold that perishes, and proven by fire – might be found to result in praise and respect and esteem at the revelation of יהושע Messiah, whom having not seen, you love; in whom you exult with unspeakable and esteemed joy, yet not seeing, but believing, obtaining the goal of your belief: a deliverance of lives.”

Now I know that goes against feel good main stream doctrine but it is Scripture...

The same one Yahshua attends. Believers, YHWH, Yahshua and the Spirit of YHWH...

Buildings don't make an ecclesia, the holy Spirit of YHWH does.

There are other Scriptures about being born again besides 1 Peter 1:3-9.

As an example, those who believe in Me have passed from death into life.

Cee · Aug 27, 2018

preston39 said:

He is correct in saying, Scripture says Eve was deceived. It doesn't say Adam was. Paul even states it was Eve who was deceived by the serpent. But here's the thing. Adam was commanded not to eat directly by God. Scripture doesn't record Eve being told directly.

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