Can anyone help me understand these verses?

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Ralph- said:
WRONG!

You don't pay attention. I've been saying all this for months now.

You will in fact lose your justification/salvation for no longer trusting in Christ for that justification. How long it takes before God executes that judgment? Depends on your level of maturity, what you presently know and are accountable for, and why you left. But he will surely close the door to coming back if you continue to reject his call to come back. Remember that, dcon. Remember that. Grace is not your ticket to languish in your old life and still be saved when Jesus comes back. Grace is NOT a license to sin. The grace that makes it so you can live in your old life and still be saved is not the gospel of grace Paul taught.
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What a bunch of hogwash you post Ralph
 
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dcontroversal said:
See post 133 that is his best argument to support his I keep myself saved theology
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Exactly ...... one has to read into scripture what is not there (loseable salvation) and because it is NOT there then one has to attack the people who expose the lie for what it is!!!

That is the only option because it is not in the scripture.
 
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UnderGrace said:
Wow you are twisting his words. o_O and resorting to ad hominem attacks ...why is that really?
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I've been talking to this person for months now. I know exactly what he says about this subject. No twisting going on here.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Ex-Catholics....who is he talking to...not us....more delusional vitriol
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There are several ex-Catholics on this website who have been lured into the ugliness of the Freegrace once saved always saved doctrine you teach.
 
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UnderGrace said:
Exactly ...... one has to read into scripture what is not there (loseable salvation) and because it is NOT there then one has to attack the people who expose the lie for what it is!!!

That is the only option because it is not in the scripture.
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Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why continuing to believe bothers you so much? Don't attack me just because you may have a struggle in that area. And more importantly, don't change scripture to accommodate your struggle with unbelief if that's what your problem is.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Par for the course with a Cainologist
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Yes, Cain was guilty of trying to earn his own salvation with his believing. You really need to stop and listen to the foolishness you teach. Trusting in Christ is now akin to Cain offering the work of his hands to the Lord. What a joke you are making of Christianity.
 
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Ralph- said:
Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why continuing to believe bothers you so much? Don't attack me just because you may have a struggle in that area. And more importantly, don't change scripture to accommodate your struggle with unbelief if that's what your problem is.
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What bothers me is the Koine Greek does not support "continuing to believe" the way you define it in terms of being justified, so yeah I do not like ideas that oppose scripture.
 
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Ralph- said:
There are several ex-Catholics on this website who have been lured into the ugliness of the Freegrace once saved always saved doctrine you teach.
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Keep telling yourself that and keep believing you keep yourself saved....
 
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dcontroversal said:
HAHAHAHAHHAHA she knows better.....try again!
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Well, lying has certainly been your tactic of choice, so I know I won't get you to acknowledge what you've been saying. I've caught you numerous times in outright lies. But I know you will just deny it. It's why I don't consider you a saved brother. I have that right so don't get your undies in a bunch over it. Just prove to me by how you act that you are born again.
 
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UnderGrace said:
What bothers me is the Koine Greek does not support "continuing to believe" the way you define it in terms of being justified, so yeah I do not like ideas that oppose scripture.
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Show me.
 
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Ralph- said:
Yes, Cain was guilty of trying to earn his own salvation with his believing. You really need to stop and listen to the foolishness you teach. Trusting in Christ is now akin to Cain offering the work of his hands to the Lord. What a joke you are making of Christianity.
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The way you define it is, because you say salvation can be lost.
 
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UnderGrace

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Ralph- said:
Show me.
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We have all done it so many times over, yet you refute plain grammar of the perfect tense in Greek.
I really see no advantage to enter into that endeavour again.
 
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UnderGrace said:
We have all done it so many times over, yet you refute plain grammar of the perfect tense in Greek.
I really see no advantage to enter into that endeavour again.
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Yep, just as I expected. I knew you would not be able to show me.
 
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Ralph- said:
Yes, Cain was guilty of trying to earn his own salvation with his believing. You really need to stop and listen to the foolishness you teach. Trusting in Christ is now akin to Cain offering the work of his hands to the Lord. What a joke you are making of Christianity.
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Not hardly....I trust Christ 100% to keep his word, you are the one making a mockery of Christ....Here let us evaluate who actually is making a joke of Christianity...shall we

I believe JESUS

saves to the uttermost
keep his promise to never leave or forsake me
gives eternal life irrevocably
justifies eternally
sanctifies positionally eternally
starts, finishes and completes the work of faith he began
keeps my by his power through the above faith that he will COMPLETE
am in his hand, his Father's hand
seals me unto the day of redemption
will lose nothing
covered me eternally by his blood and grace
we have been born again by INCORRUPTABLE SEED
etc..

YOU BELIEVE

JESUS does not keep his word
throws us away
does not save us eternally
justifies temporarily
sanctifies temporarily
saves temporarily
is too weak to keep us
does not finish what he started
unseals us
his blood is watered down and not sufficient
we are yanked out of the Father's hand and the hand of Christ
etc..

NO man....it is you that makes a mockery of Christ and Christianity by your dogma!!!
 
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Ralph- said:
Yep, just as I expected. I knew you would not be able to show me.
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Oh my goodness, I am laughing so hard, you liked this post by Ralphie, is it true...LOL :D I am so glad you two agree on something oh my goodness too funny...:LOL:
 
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Ralph- said:
No it's not. I can see right through you folks. You were under a lot of condemnation (rightfully so, I suppose) and you thought becoming a Protestant was your relief from your obligation to walk in the Spirit. Well, you were wrong. Don't come over here and destroy Protestantism just because you have an aversion to the necessity to have continue to trust in Christ and have a life that reflects that trust.
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These statements just continue to to display you have no scripture to support your eisegesis.
 
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