Are the words of the Messiah above all else?

[FirstLovedByHim]

Reincarnation is the belief that you come back as a different person in a different body. I prefer reinstated .

In these cases(Elijah and Enoch) the same men are charged with the same task - to be prophets. They did not die the first time in the OT.
Not the same as some believe and apply in Hinduism and Budhism (A continual dying and returning until you get things right) .

REINSTATING: It has not happened to anyone else as other religions teach calling it (reincarnation).

ONLY ELIJAH AND ENOCH have been and will ever be reinstated because they never died to begin with in the OT. As for the Beloved John he has remained and is to , to prophesy AGAIN.

Deep question: Can satan(lucifer) corrupt what does not exist?Or as the father of lies, does he corrupt a knowledge of something that is actually true? Is it not true that he must malign truth in order for the fullness of truth to not be believed? If he develops religions which teach a doctrine of Reincarnation( to Mirror the REINSTATING) A belief and doctrine that ALL People come back multiple times(includes more than once) and in different forms including the form of animals why would he do it? He would do it to malign what is actually true for these two prophets of God .

John is Elijah and was clearly sent back or Christ would not say John was Elijah. Enoch too will come back as a prophet, as he always was. Because you know of Reincarnation , you will reject the fullness of truth that these two prophets were REINSTATED , to continue to perform their same duties.
THEY WERE REINSTATED, THIS HAPPENS ONCE:

re·in·state
ˌrēinˈstāt/
verb
past tense: reinstated; past participle: reinstated

1. restore (someone or something) to their former position or condition.
   
   REINCARNATION:
2. Reincarnation is the philosophical or religious concept that an aspect of a living being starts a new life in a different physical body or form after each biological death. Wikipedia

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Reincarnation is the belief that you come back as a different person in a different body. I prefer reinstated .

In these cases(Elijah and Enoch) the same men are charged with the same task - to be prophets. They did not die the first time in the OT.
Not the same as some believe and apply in Hinduism and Budhism (A continual dying and returning until you get things right) .

REINSTATING: It has not happened to anyone else as other religions teach calling it (reincarnation).

ONLY ELIJAH AND ENOCH have been and will ever be reinstated because they never died to begin with in the OT. As for the Beloved John he has remained and is to , to prophesy AGAIN.

Deep question: Can satan(lucifer) corrupt what does not exist?Or as the father of lies, does he corrupt a knowledge of something that is actually true? Is it not true that he must malign truth in order for the fullness of truth to not be believed? If he develops religions which teach a doctrine of Reincarnation( to Mirror the REINSTATING) A belief and doctrine that ALL People come back multiple times(includes more than once) and in different forms including the form of animals why would he do it? He would do it to malign what is actually true for these two prophets of God .

John is Elijah and was clearly sent back or Christ would not say John was Elijah. Enoch too will come back as a prophet, as he always was. Because you know of Reincarnation , you will reject the fullness of truth that these two prophets were REINSTATED , to continue to perform their same duties.
THEY WERE REINSTATED, THIS HAPPENS ONCE:

re·in·state
ˌrēinˈstāt/
verb
past tense: reinstated; past participle: reinstated

1. restore (someone or something) to their former position or condition.
   
   REINCARNATION:
2. Reincarnation is the philosophical or religious concept that an aspect of a living being starts a new life in a different physical body or form after each biological death. Wikipedia

Elijah had no biological death in the OT nor did Enoch. Elijah (John) in the NT did and Enoch (ONE OF THE WITNESSES) will now in this end of the age. And Beloved John Christ said: " What is it to you if I say he must REMAIN until I return." This to me is very cool stuff.

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Neither do I want to.

I could type it all out but it has been sufficiently repudiated here, just so people know what scripture actually teaches not what people like to speculate on.

https://www.gotquestions.org/John-Baptist-Elijah.html

You do not have to . Makes no difference to the obvious in scripture. You are entitled to your views as all are. I'll go with what I know to be true , you go with what you believe to be. You say reincarnation, but if that is what you tout, you are wrong because reincarnation needs a biological death to occur (As the supposed teaching states). The fact that neither of these prophets Elijah or Enoch had this happen to them in the OT, proves you and reincarnation as false doctrine.

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

I have with scripture supported my claims. Please feel free to try and (which you will not by the way) disprove and not with the doctrine of reincarnation which this is clearly not.

 

[Deade]

I though Enoch and Elijah were taken?

Well calibob, go back and find where Enoch was taken. It doesn't say where. Yet it does give us an amount of years lived, so we must assume that he died.

Gen. 5:22-24 "And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."

Now to Elijah: 2 Kings 2:11: "And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

The word heaven = Strong's H8064
שָׁמֶה שָׁמַיִם
shâmayim shâmeh
shaw-mah'-yim, shaw-meh'
The second form being dual of an unused singular; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve): - air, X astrologer, heaven (-s). This is not the third heaven where God resides.

I'll have to get back with more on Elijah. Out of time.

 

[UnderGrace]

I have with scripture supported my claims. Please feel free to try and (which you will not by the way) disprove and not with the doctrine of reincarnation which this is clearly not.

Putting aside the reincarnation since as you say Elijah did not suffer physical death.

Okay, why then would he not know he being (John the baptist) was Elijah. Secondly why does he deny being Elijah.

 

[garee]

Reincarnation is the belief that you come back as a different person in a different body. I prefer reinstated .

In these cases(Elijah and Enoch) the same men are charged with the same task - to be prophets. They did not die the first time in the OT.
Not the same as some believe and apply in Hinduism and Budhism (A continual dying and returning until you get things right) .

REINSTATING: It has not happened to anyone else as other religions teach calling it (reincarnation).

ONLY ELIJAH AND ENOCH have been and will ever be reinstated because they never died to begin with in the OT. As for the Beloved John he has remained and is to , to prophesy AGAIN.

Deep question: Can satan(lucifer) corrupt what does not exist?Or as the father of lies, does he corrupt a knowledge of something that is actually true? Is it not true that he must malign truth in order for the fullness of truth to not be believed? If he develops religions which teach a doctrine of Reincarnation( to Mirror the REINSTATING) A belief and doctrine that ALL People come back multiple times(includes more than once) and in different forms including the form of animals why would he do it? He would do it to malign what is actually true for these two prophets of God .

John is Elijah and was clearly sent back or Christ would not say John was Elijah. Enoch too will come back as a prophet, as he always was. Because you know of Reincarnation , you will reject the fullness of truth that these two prophets were REINSTATED , to continue to perform their same duties.
THEY WERE REINSTATED, THIS HAPPENS ONCE:

re·in·state
ˌrēinˈstāt/
verb
past tense: reinstated; past participle: reinstated

1. restore (someone or something) to their former position or condition.
   
   REINCARNATION:
2. Reincarnation is the philosophical or religious concept that an aspect of a living being starts a new life in a different physical body or form after each biological death. Wikipedia

Elijah and Enoch were both used in parables to signify the rapture on the last day when those on earth typified by (Elijah and Enoch) will meet those who have fallen asleep the first resurrection, and together in the twinkling of the eye both receive their new incorruptible bodies that will be nether male not female Jew nor Gentile. Their (Elijah and Enoch) bodies of death return to the dust like that of all mankind.

John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah , the Holy Spirt of Christ. Not the persons (Elijah and Enoch)

If an man has not the Spirit of Christ than neither do they belong to Christ.

We do not wrestles against flesh and blood as that seen the temporal or use flesh and blood as that seen to confirm the hidden
things of God.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are "eternal".2 Corinthians 4:18

God is not a man as us. the Son of Man replied his flesh profits for nothing ,We walk by faith the not seen eternal not by sight the temporal .It will be annihilated on the last day

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Genesis 5:21-24

21 When Enoch had lived sixty-five years, he became the father of Methu′selah. 22 Enoch walked with God after the birth of Methu′selah three hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. 23 Thus all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

"FOR GOD TOOK HIM". It is clear you know not what this means. It does not mean he died , all men died in that time. That is the significance of the wording. I wont get into the Writings of Enoch either, the true ones held by the Ethiopians which have been translated, beyond your scholarly knowledge. It is enough to understand the language of the obvious statement "FOR GOD TOOK HIM" .

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Putting aside the reincarnation since as you say Elijah did not suffer physical death.

Okay, why then would he not know he being (John the baptist) was Elijah. Secondly why does he deny being Elijah.

It was for Christ to know and for God to reveal after his death. He was God's vessel not his own. There too is one thing Christ has stated not knowing and that is the hour in which His return is. What's it to anyonr if God does what He want's with what belongs to Him?

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Elijah and Enoch were both used in parables to signify the rapture on the last day when those on earth typified by (Elijah and Enoch) will meet those who have fallen asleep the first resurrection, and together in the twinkling of the eye both receive their new incorruptible bodies that will be nether male not female Jew nor Gentile. Their (Elijah and Enoch) bodies of death return to the dust like that of all mankind.

John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah , the Holy Spirt of Christ. Not the persons (Elijah and Enoch)

If an man has not the Spirit of Christ than neither do they belong to Christ.

We do not wrestles against flesh and blood as that seen the temporal or use flesh and blood as that seen to confirm the hidden
things of God.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are "eternal".2 Corinthians 4:18

God is not a man as us. the Son of Man replied his flesh profits for nothing ,We walk by faith the not seen eternal not by sight the temporal .It will be annihilated on the last day

Okay garee, can man do what ever he pleases to a spirit?

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

garee: who are in your opinion the two witnesses?

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Okay garee, can man do what ever he pleases to a spirit?

Here is some help.
Fear God Alone Matthew 10:27-29
…27What I tell you in the dark, speak in the light; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the housetops. 28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father.…

So was it in Elijah in body who had done to him whatever they pleased or Elijah in spirit?
The Transfiguration Matthew 17:11-13
…11Jesus replied, “Elijah does indeed come, and he will restore all things. 12But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him,( but have done to him whatever they wished). In the same way, the Son of Man will suffer at their hands.” 13Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them about John the Baptist.…

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

In Matthew: In the same way, the Son of Man will suffer at their hands. What is the same way?

 

[UnderGrace]

It was for Christ to know and for God to reveal after his death. He was God's vessel not his own. There too is one thing Christ has stated not knowing and that is the hour in which His return is. What's it to anyonr if God does what He want's with what belongs to Him?

So you are saying John the Baptist has no knowledge of being Elijah, so then Elijah would have had no knowledge of being Elijah when he returned to earth either?

All of your doctrine so far is very closely aligned with "The Church of the Great God", could I be right and will you stand up for what you promote

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

So you are saying John the Baptist has no knowledge of being Elijah, so then Elijah would have had no knowledge of being Elijah when he returned to earth either?

All of your doctrine so far is very closely aligned with "The Church of the Great God", could I be right and will you stand up for what you promote

God is Great and I am of His Church, but I am simply Christian I stand up for the Word which is the everlasting gospel. As for what a man knows in God.............it is what a man is permitted to know. What is clear is Christ knows and that is ALL that one needs to know and who is anyone but a man to question God!????

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

"Church of the Great God" Crazy - cult! I am TRINITARIAN , Father, Son and Holy Spirit touting ,gospel thumping Holy Family loving = for all the brethren, Mother Miriam (Mary) loving, Christ glorifying Christian believer.

 

[UnderGrace]

God is Great and I am of His Church, but I am simply Christian I stand up for the Word which is the everlasting gospel. As for what a man knows in God.............it is what a man is permitted to know. What is clear is Christ knows and that is ALL that one needs to know and who is anyone but a man to question God!????

Well I will admit you have mastered the art of double speak.

You posts do and will continue to reveal a certain doctrine...so far you are lining up perfectly, they "The Church of the Great God" think they have perfect doctrine revealed directly from Jesus and the bible too.... just like you.

 

[UnderGrace]

"Church of the Great God" Crazy - cult! I am TRINITARIAN , Father, Son and Holy Spirit touting ,gospel thumping Holy Family loving = for all the brethren, Mother Miriam (Mary) loving, Christ glorifying Christian believer.

Good to know.

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Well I will admit you have mastered the art of double speak.

You posts do and will continue to reveal a certain doctrine...so far you are lining up perfectly, they "The Church of the Great God" think they have perfect doctrine revealed directly from Jesus and the bible too.... just like you.

To think you have perfect doctrine- and having perfect doctrine are two different things. Perfect doctrine can never be dismantled and that doctrine is the everlasting gospel. One who is given perfect understanding of it will never be made a liar.

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

Good to know.

Excellent! God Bless!