Sabbath

[lightbearer]

Romans 10:4-5
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.


Christ is the END of the law for righteousness for every one that believes. This is contrasted with the righteousness which is of the law, which is your own work and "OBEDIENCE" to that law.

Faith is the subject. This Faith in which we speak comes from Christ; the Word in our hearts and mouths. Israel was focusing on the works of the Law but their hearts were never of GOD. They stumbled at the stumblingstone having never had Faith that is of GOD through HIS Christ. This Faith has always been available to them that was Paul through the Spirit was sharing when he paraphrased Deuteronomy 30:12-14. But they never received it. They stumbled at the stumbling stone
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith
(For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )
(Rom 2:14-15 KJV)

. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness ( that which is not of faith), hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith (they would not receive the promise of GOD; HIS Word; Christ in the Heart, mouth and mind) , but as it were by the works of the law (by what they were doing not by what they could be through GOD'S indwelling changing power. The circumcision made without hands)). For they stumbled at that stumblingstone (; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness (which is through a heart of faith), and going about to establish their own righteousness (obedience from the mind and not from the heart), have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ (the word In the heart and mouth) is the end of the law (that written with ink and on tables of stone)for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word; The Commandments contained in the book of the Law that pertain to righteousness) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is,, to bring up Christ (the word; The Commandments contained in the book of the Law that pertain to righteousness) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth into righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(Rom 9:30-10:14)

"That is" in the above text in each instance connects to what is before not what is after. Here is the Strong penned.
G5123 τουτέστι toutesti (tout-es'-tee) v.
1. that is
[contraction for G5124 and G2076]
KJV: that is (to say)

In other words when Paul wrote, "That is the faith in which we preach" He was referring to what was previously stated. The word; Christ being nigh unto us. In our hearts and mouths is the Faith in which we preach and this is the Faith that Israel in general was missing but had available to them since Moses preach it in Deut. 30:12-14. The circumcision made without hands.

 

[posthuman]

Christ (the word

this is Who was nailed to the cross

 

[Dan_473]

new in Greek is "neos" renewed is "kainos"

2537 [e] kainē καινὴ new Adj-NFS
1242 [e] diathēkē διαθήκη covenant N-NFS

This is the Covenant ratified in Yahushua's blood,

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."


do you agree? "Law written in heart"

this is kind of hard for me to research on my phone

But I think kainē is new, and renewed is anakainē.

so New Covenant.

 

[Dan_473]

1 This is the last thing Yahshua said to the pharisee types as He left bayith YHWH/Solomon's Temple:

Matthew 23:38-39,38 “See! Your house is left to you laid waste, Jer 22:5."39 for I say to you, from now on you shall by no means see Me, until you say, ‘Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה!’ ” Psa 118:26." and in Hebrew Mat when he sees the women at the tomb, Yahshua says, "YHWH has saved you" rather than "greetings:, finally anytime some takes bread and "blesses" they are not blessing the bread they are saying blessing to YHWH. So similar but that exact phrase, which is found a number of times in the "OT" one we don't know everything they said and two read the passage closely, that passage is about the Gentiles that are enemies of His people, that they should basically trust and follow Him... and I pronounce it Yah - Weh not Yah - Way, but many think it is Yahuwah/Yahuah, I know it is not Yahovah/Yahowah, but honestly I don't break fellowship over pronunciation

2 Well Joel 2:32 is clear:

Joel 2:31-32,31 the sun is turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of יהוה."32 “And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be delivered. For on Mount Tsiyon and in Yerushalayim there shall be an escape as יהוה has said, and among the survivors whom יהוה calls.

Since Acts is a DIRECT quote of Joel above is it talking about “the Lord” or “YHWH”?

Act 2:21 ‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה / the Lord shall be saved.”

Well is we consider this next passage it begins to shine some light:

Isaiah 4:2-3,2 In that day the Branch of יהוה shall be splendid and esteemed. And the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for the escaped ones of Yisra’ĕl. 3 And it shall be that he who is left in Tsiyon and he who remains in Yerushalayim is called set-apart, everyone who is written among the living in Yerushalayim.”

Revelation 14:1-2,, “And I looked and saw a Lamb standing on Mount Tsiyon, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s Name written upon their foreheads.”

Without commenting on each passage here it could be very possible that Yahushua is “the Name” as it mean YHWH Saves.

#H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) , 1. Yahweh-saved., 2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader., [from H3068 and H3467], KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. , Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442

DO you suggest that YHWH and Yahushua are useless and only "Jesus" is the name by men are saved? To me that would be odd because the word "Jesus" did not even exist until another 16oo years after Peter quoted Joel...

3 I believe it is pronounceable, the “it is ineffable” thing came from rabbinical pharisees, and the root word “hayah” again, and “eyer asher eyer” is commonly translated as “I am who I am” but this is not a name nor is it even accurate to the Hebrew it is translated from, its just traditionally translated this way. A mechanical translation should be IMO “I exist that I exist” or if we are translating it for meaning and not direct language “the Self Existent One”

4 On this one you misunderstood me I did not say the apostles knew Hebrew and Greek better than anyone. I said the translators of the Septuagint knew both languages better s in the ability to translate them, some may had known either of the languages better but they knew both well, that is why they were chosen to translate.

5 Well the translators interchanged them, that does not make it right but they did and theos and kyrios are used in the “NT” to talk about the Father. Yah said this name was forever.

6 what I never said this, all the grammatical evidence and historians around Yahshua’s time say Matt wrote his Gospel in Hebrew.

7 I have seen no evidence or reason to believe Paul's’ letters were written in Hebrew and the letters of Revelation, while there is a Hebrew version, or at least a fragment that I know of, I could not make any kind of informed view, only to say Greek was the common language outside Israel, but there were Jews at the “churches” abroad, but there is not certain evidence.

8 It may had been a custom they both grew up with and been so used to it they never did anything different also we have no 1st copy originals, but the bottom line is we do know know motivation. Paul did use YHWH a single time in one of the letters to the Corinthians but ever copy of it has kyrios instead.


Jeremiah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal (Lord)."

This next reading from the Talmud is the origin of the ban on the Name of the Most High (YHWH)

Talmud - Mas. Sotah 38a


"Another [Baraitha] taught: ‘On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel’ — with the use of the Shem Hameforash.15 You say that it means with the Tetragrammaton; (YHWH) but perhaps that is not so and a substituted name was used!

no, I mean in the actual Greek text of the New Testament, are people swearing by God's name? of course if you're going to use a Hebrew version of Matthew, claiming that's the original, then we're essentially using two different sets of scriptures.

if Jesus is the same as God's name, then would it make sense to Simply insert Jesus in every place where the New Testament quotes the Old Testament?

I suggest that God's personal name is no longer available to humans. I think that's what Peter is saying in Acts chapter 4. the name of the Messiah, however you wish to pronounce it, is The Only Name that saves.

again if you feel that you know God's personal name, then you have two names available that can save you. so, perhaps we're living in a different age than Peter was? or maybe something has changed since then? I know some people are into knowledge increasing in the last days.

possibly the Septuagint translators new both languages really well. I don't really buy the idea that native speakers always know their language better than anyone else. have you ever read a book by Joseph Conrad? he's not a native English speaker, yet he knows how to write English better than I do.

I disagree about the New Testament writers used God's personal name and the words God and Lord interchangeably. I think it's more accurate to say that they used the word Lord to translate God's personal name.

I don't dispute the God's name is forever. is it currently available to humans?

which historians Around Jesus time say that Matthew was written in Hebrew?

The evidence you refer to in the grammar of Matthew as indicating that it was originally written in Hebrew, is another possible explanation that the writer is a native Aramaic speaker who is writing in Greek as a second language?

the reason I bring up Paul's letters and the Book of Revelation is that they do not contain God's personal name either. I think a good conclusion for us to draw from this is that the name to be accented is Jesus. God's personal name is not available to us.

do you believe then regarding Paul and John that the Holy Spirit was inspiring them to use God's name, but they were so immersed in the Customs they grew up with that they didn't?

Where is this one place where you believe Paul uses God's name in Corinthians? Which manuscript?

What do you mean motivation? Do you mean the motivation of the copyists? that they purposely removed God's name?

 

[Endoscopy]

do not worry for yourself, or work for yourself, for earthly things, but trust in & work for the heavenly things, for God.


when the sabbath was first commanded in Exodus it was concerning manna. the manna was given from heaven every day but one, and when you woke up that morning, the manna sufficient for that day was already stored up - having been given from heaven the day before. that morning, you should not fear, nor worry, nor be concerned that you should work to sustain yourself: the LORD had already provided what is sufficient for the day.

does it make a small bit of sense now, i hope, why i am looking at this and saying it relates to the sign given to Israel in the wilderness?

It makes a big difference when you say something that is false. Here is the reason for the Sabbath. After the 6 days of creation God rested.

Genesis 2 NIV
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

 

[DiscipleDave]

What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....

Jesus, our Savior and Lord, Never once commanded us Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath day Holy.
The Apostles of Jesus, Never once commanded us Christians to continue to keep the Sabbath day Holy.
Those two Statements are absolute FACTS.

In the Old Testament we see over and over and over again, the importance of keeping the Sabbath Holy, punishable by death.
In the New Testament we do not see that AT ALL.

Scriptures proves without any doubt whatsoever that the 10 Commandments given to the Israelites to follow and keep was the OLD Covenant.

Exo 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

PROOF, the 10 Commandments are the words of the Old Covenant. We Christians are under a New Covenant, NOT the OLD.
Old Covenant = Keep the 10 Commandments
New Covenant = Believe in Jesus and Love One Another.

Scriptural Proof, what we Christians are under, is plainly told us by the Apostle John:

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2) love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

If you want to keep the Sabbath, by all means do so. But anyone who teaches we Christians MUST keep the Sabbath are devoid of the Truth and do not understand what Scriptures actually teaches. Jesus did not Command us to keep it. The Apostle did not tell us to keep it. Why do you teach us to keep it? How is that not adding burdens to the Body of Christ which Jesus nor His Disciples ever did? Do not listen to those people who try to teach us to do MORE than what our Lord and Savior taught us to do, they are decieved and know not the Truth.

^i^

††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††

DiscipleDave

 

[Shamah]

because how will we believe if we do not hear? the Spirit reminded the apostles of all that Christ had told them, but we didn't walk with Him and hear these things.
that is not what i am asking. i am asking if it makes sense that someone has to teach & command a person to obey the letter of a written law in addition to what the heart condemns and approves, if the law that truly matters is actually written in the heart? would that imply that the additional things that a person feels need to be taught or superfluous, or would it imply that the law isn't actually written in the heart after all? so that it would be useless to add commandments, because there is no actual redemption in the heart in the first place - and we know physical obeisance cannot make anyone righteous.

Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.” But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’”​

(Romans 10:5-6) ​

the scripture speaks of the covenant made at Horeb as entirely different than the covenant made through the cross and resurrection of Christ. a righteousness by works, a righteousness by faith. do these and you will have life, believe this and you will have life. keep these commands and you will live, keep this belief and you will live.

if the covenant of His blood is the renewal of the covenant of Sinai then wouldn't you expect that God would be speaking of them as though they are the same rather than speaking of them as though they are different?

why would He declare this:

It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt ​

if what He *meant to say* was 'it will be the same covenant all I will do is replace the blood of bulls with my own blood' ?

what i am asking is how is text like this compatible with the notion - by playing with words - that He has not made anything *new* He has only re-instated a slightly altered version of the Mosaic covenant:

Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. ​

(2 Corinthians 3:10)​

how does a covenant surpass its own glory with its own glory by coming to have no glory at all because its own glory is greater than its own?

I will tell you why, some people follow a fake Jesus that does not match the Messiah of the Scriptures, aka they follow a false spirit. in the same way the Word is a way to check and see if the right spirit is leading. There are people who claim to have His Spirit yet feel it is 100% acceptable to go directly against what He says (in te Law or the Gospels) if they checked the Word they may see this.

I already went over this yesterday, posted a long post and offered to post the complete study, you ignored it and now return with the same question.

Hebrews 7:11-12, “Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”



Notice it is the same word in English “change” but in the Greek they are 2 different words?



“For the priesthood being changed (#G3331), there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”



If we only look at the English it is easy to misunderstand what the writer of Hebrews is seeking to tell us. Lets take a deeper look at the difference between these words:



“For the priesthood being changed (#G3331)”



“changed” is word #G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis (me-ta'-the-sis) n., transposition, i.e. transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law). [from G3346], KJV: change, removing, translation, Root(s): G3346



Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

#G3331 μετάθεσις metathesis; 1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established



As in the priesthood on earth, the Levite priesthood has been abolished, and the Priesthood in the heavens, carried out by Yahshua is established. This “change” or “metathesis” is a removal of one that is replaced by another.



“there is made of necessity a change (#G3346) also of the law.”



Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.



“change” is word #G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi (me-ta-tiy'-thee-miy) v., 1. to transfer., 2. (literally) to transport., 3. (by implication) to exchange., 4. (reflexively) to change sides. [from G3326 and G5087], KJV: carry over, change, remove, translate, turn, Root(s): G3326, G5087



Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; 1) to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other) 1a) to transfer 1b) to change 1c) to transfer one's self or suffer one's self to be transferred 1c1) to go or pass over 1c2) to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another



Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

#G3346 μετατίθημι metatithemi; From G3326 and G5087; to transfer, that is, (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:—carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.



As in the Law has been transferred, not mediated by Levites but mediated by Yahshua the High Priest. This “change” or “metatithemi” is a transferral.


honestly you must not beleive the Messiah when He says "unless eaven and earth pass..."

 

[Shamah]

this is kind of hard for me to research on my phone

But I think kainē is new, and renewed is anakainē.

so New Covenant.

neos is new in konie greek. is kainos have the same meaning, they seem to be different words..... yes I have studied this very much, and when it is quoted from Hebrew that is 1,000 older the meaning of the original quote is more important, chadash....vowel points added 1,500+ years later to give it 3 meanings... chadash moon is not a brand new moon every 30 days...

 

[Shamah]

no, I mean in the actual Greek text of the New Testament, are people swearing by God's name? of course if you're going to use a Hebrew version of Matthew, claiming that's the original, then we're essentially using two different sets of scriptures.

if Jesus is the same as God's name, then would it make sense to Simply insert Jesus in every place where the New Testament quotes the Old Testament?

I suggest that God's personal name is no longer available to humans. I think that's what Peter is saying in Acts chapter 4. the name of the Messiah, however you wish to pronounce it, is The Only Name that saves.

again if you feel that you know God's personal name, then you have two names available that can save you. so, perhaps we're living in a different age than Peter was? or maybe something has changed since then? I know some people are into knowledge increasing in the last days.

possibly the Septuagint translators new both languages really well. I don't really buy the idea that native speakers always know their language better than anyone else. have you ever read a book by Joseph Conrad? he's not a native English speaker, yet he knows how to write English better than I do.

I disagree about the New Testament writers used God's personal name and the words God and Lord interchangeably. I think it's more accurate to say that they used the word Lord to translate God's personal name.

I don't dispute the God's name is forever. is it currently available to humans?

which historians Around Jesus time say that Matthew was written in Hebrew?

The evidence you refer to in the grammar of Matthew as indicating that it was originally written in Hebrew, is another possible explanation that the writer is a native Aramaic speaker who is writing in Greek as a second language?

the reason I bring up Paul's letters and the Book of Revelation is that they do not contain God's personal name either. I think a good conclusion for us to draw from this is that the name to be accented is Jesus. God's personal name is not available to us.

do you believe then regarding Paul and John that the Holy Spirit was inspiring them to use God's name, but they were so immersed in the Customs they grew up with that they didn't?

Where is this one place where you believe Paul uses God's name in Corinthians? Which manuscript?

What do you mean motivation? Do you mean the motivation of the copyists? that they purposely removed God's name?

If the greek is translated from aramiac but retains the meaning is that "2 sets of Scriptures?" what about english translation? It only acceptable if you want it to be...

Jesus' name is not the exact same as God's name. Jesus name is Yahushua = YHWH's Salvation, God's name is YHWH = self existent One. but with that said it does contain YHWH, says Yahshua is calling upon YHWH for Salvation...

Yes most of the time kyrios is used in place of YHWH, however if you study the Septuagint you will see not as often but used is theos/god

yes His name is available all one has to do is speak it...

Yes His name is available to believers today, all one has to do is speak it.
Psalm 113:1-3, "Praise Yah! Praise, O servants of יהוה, Praise the Name of יהוה ! Blessed be the Name of יהוה, Now and forever! From the rising of the sun to its going down, The Name of יהוה is praised.”

There are more historian quotes than this but here are some:

The Ebionites were a Christian sect that claimed to preserve the original autograph of apostle Matthew in Hebrew. It is quoted often by Epiphanius in the 300s. He said its official title was “The Gospel according to Matthew.” (Epiphanius, Panarion 30, 13, 2-3.)

Apostle John told Papias around 90 A.D. about this book of Matthew: “Matthew put together the oracles [of the Lord] in the Hebrew language, and each one interpreted them as best he could.” (Eusebius, Hist. Eccl. iii. 39, quoting Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord)

Irenaeus likewise says: “Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter I, quoted in Eusebius,

Ecclesiastical History, Book V, Chapter VIII.)
Jerome around 404 A.D. wrote of this too: “The Hebrew [Matthew] itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered.” (Jerome, Lives of Illustrious Men, Chapter III.)

“Matthew collected the oracles (ta logia) in the Hebrew language, and each interpreted them as best he could.” – Papias (Eusebius, H.E. 3.39.16)

“As having learnt by tradition concerning the four Gospels, which alone are unquestionable in the Church of God under heaven, that first was written according to Matthew, who was once a tax collector but afterwards an apostle of Jesus Christ, who published it for those who from Judaism came to believe, composed as it was in the Hebrew language.” – Origen (Eusebius, H.E. 6.25.4)

Jerome appears convinced the Hebrew Matthew to which the Nazarenes gave him access was the true autograph of Matthew. Jerome notes how it was protected in a private library at Caesarea. He writes in On Illustrious Men ch. III (404 A.D.):

“Matthew, also called Levi, apostle and aforetimes publican, composed a gospel of Christ at first published in Judea in Hebrew for the sake of those of the circumcision who believed, but this was afterwards translated into Greek though by what author is uncertain. The Hebrew itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered. I have also had the opportunity of having the volume described to me by the Nazarenes of Beroea, a city of Syria, who use it.”

“Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews n their own dialect while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome and laying the foundations of the church.” – Irenaeus, Adv. Haer. 3.1.1

Well if you study the Greek version you will see remnants of aramaic in it, then if you study the oldest Hebrew version we have you will see there are word idioms that make sense in the Hebrew that do not in the Aramaic and Greek. I was just reading last night ) and also the geneology, only Mat in Hebrew contains the proper amount of generations, all other versions are 1 generation short.

Im not sure if it was 1st or 2nd Corointhins I have tried to find the information a number of imes and can not, butthere is a single manuscript that uses YHWH, possibly it was an eariler manuscript but honestly there is no way to know 100%

by motivation, I mean anything that can motivate someone, it could have been copyists, common culture, hellenistic sway, originally like that, truth is we dont know. It nice to say we know everything and feel fuzzy, but if one studies honestly we see from the time of Yahshua ascention till about the 1500s? it was total chaos, book burning, etc. Jews and others would be killed for simply owning a manuscript, by who? the romans/catholic church... and now everyone hangs on their every word...

 

[Dan_473]

neos is new in konie greek. is kainos have the same meaning, they seem to be different words..... yes I have studied this very much, and when it is quoted from Hebrew that is 1,000 older the meaning of the original quote is more important, chadash....vowel points added 1,500+ years later to give it 3 meanings... chadash moon is not a brand new moon every 30 days...

I wasn't following the part of your discussion about the new moon,

I was really just commenting on whether it's a new covenant or a renewed Covenant.

 

[Shamah]

I wasn't following the part of your discussion about the new moon,

I was really just commenting on whether it's a new covenant or a renewed Covenant.

What I meant was the use of New in Jer 31 is chadash, and the use of New in that psalm I wouted about "new moon" is chadash.

Common logic tells us it is not a NEW moon every 30 days, but it is indeed the same moon on a new cycle. This does not prove anything concerning a Covenant but it gives insight to the word chadash...

ALso the are 3 entries in Strongs for chadash, but only 3 post the adding of vowel points... there were no vowel points until 1,200 after Yahshua, and seeing as Jeremiah wrote his writings before Yahshua vowel points were not included...

but rather than look to singular word meanings the Most High tells us clearly:

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Abraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him...My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie...”

but it is not traditionally accepted so none seem to care what the Most Hgih has to say...

I ask you can you explain these passages to me PS 105:6-10 and PS 89:26-37?

How does the "covenant stand fast (with MEssiah) and Yah will not break it" but its broken by Yah and a new one? How is it the same covenant made with abraham is carred on through to Israel... and Jer 31 says the "new" covenant is made to who? Israel...

 

[justpassinthrough]

do not worry for yourself, or work for yourself, for earthly things, but trust in & work for the heavenly things, for God.


when the sabbath was first commanded in Exodus it was concerning manna. the manna was given from heaven every day but one, and when you woke up that morning, the manna sufficient for that day was already stored up - having been given from heaven the day before. that morning, you should not fear, nor worry, nor be concerned that you should work to sustain yourself: the LORD had already provided what is sufficient for the day.

does it make a small bit of sense now, i hope, why i am looking at this and saying it relates to the sign given to Israel in the wilderness?

Still looking for the instructions from Jesus or His Apostles that specifically instructs the Church as to how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.


If you have any, please share.



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

I was really just commenting on whether it's a new covenant or a renewed Covenant.

Renewed Abrahamic Covenant.


JPT

 

[GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES]

What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....

It is still a commandment. The Lord tells us the Sabbath was made for us. It is a time to leave the worldly concerns and meditate and pray on the Father and his love and will for each one of his unique and beautiful children. It is also a time, as the Lord demonstrated and much to the frustration of the law keepers of the temple, a time to serve the will of the Father by giving to others an answering their prayers through our gifts.

 

[GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES]

Still looking for the instructions from Jesus or His Apostles that specifically instructs the Church as to how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.


If you have any, please share.



JPT

Prayer is a great way to learn how to serve the Father during Sabbath. Others cannot speak Father's will for you on Sabbath. Only Sabbath can.

 

[gb9]

Prayer is a great way to learn how to serve the Father during Sabbath. Others cannot speak Father's will for you on Sabbath. Only Sabbath can.

and we have sabbath faker.

 

[Shamah]

The intent of YHWH’s Sabbath is to keep it “set apart” to YHWH, this means doing His will. This is a general overview touching on a number of common topics and misconceptions concerning the Sabbath.

The Sabbath (7th day) was from creation, as shown above and it shows the AUTHORITY of the Creator, it is the only Law/Command that sows it is from the Creator of all that is. Anyone can make a list of Laws for a clean lifestyle, but nobody but YHWH can make a Law that shows they are the Creator, and He did.

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

“set it apart” is word #H6942 - qadash: to be set apart or consecrated, Original Word: קָדַשׁ, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: qadash, Phonetic Spelling: (kaw-dash'), Short Definition: consecrate

The 7th day Sabbath is one of the 10 Commandments, and we are told by YHWH to “remember” it, yet it seems to be the most forgotten Commandment:

Exodus 20:8-11, “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart." Six days you labor, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה your Mighty One. You do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore יהוה blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.”

“Six days you labor, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה”

The 7th day is for His will, we have 6 days to do our will. We are commended to “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart.” The verse does not say “remember the Sabbath to physically rest” it says “to set it apart.” So then what does this mean?

“set it apart” is word #H6942 קָדַשׁ qadash (kaw-dash') v., 1. to be clean (ceremonially or morally)., 2. (causatively) to make, pronounce or observe as clean (ceremonially or morally)., [a primitive root], KJV: appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy(-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify(-ied one, self), X wholly.

Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definitions; - Original: קדשׁ, Transliteration: Qadash, Phonetic: kaw-dash', Definition: 1. to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be

Yahshua was doing the will of YHWH yet the Pharisees accused Him of sin;

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do right on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.”

John 7:22-24, “Because of this Mosheh has given you the circumcision – though it is not from Mosheh, but from the fathers – and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the Torah of Mosheh should not be broken, are you wroth with Me because I made a man entirely well on the Sabbath? Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

Why were they not sinning by breaking the Sabbath by “doing work” on the Sabbath? Because they are doing the will of YHWH, the true intent of the Sabbath day:

Isaiah 58:11-14, “YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it.”

 

[Shamah]

The true intent of the Sabbath day is not about only worshiping on the 7th day, it is about doing His will and not doing our own will.

John 7:16-17, “Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority.”

Mat 12:12, “And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath.”

This does not teach us to

A. Abolish the Sabbath

B. Change it to a different day

C. Make Jesus our Sabbath (sounds nice but it is not Scriptural)

D. Make every day the "Sabbath" as it is impossible, nobody can set apart every day as holy/set apart to YHWH. 1. Only YHWH can set apart a day, and YHWH did this at creation; Genesis 2:1-3, “...the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart...” 2. We have work, chores, errands, etc. While mowing the lawn, doing dishes, cleaning the bathroom, etc are not sin, they are also not the will of YHWH thus doing these things is not the will of YHWH, the 7th day Sabbath is set aside for the will of YHWH. Any who claim to set aside every day are not being honest and probably don't set aside any day as they clearly don't understand what it means.

Deuteronomy 10:16, “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more.”

Galatians 5:5-6, “For we, in Spirit, by belief, eagerly wait for the expectation of righteousness. For in Messiah יהושע neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any strength, but belief working through love."

1 Corinthians 7:19, The circumcision is naught, and the uncircumcision is naught, but the guarding of the commands of Yah does matter!”

Yet the Sabbath was set apart at Creation:

Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”

This does not cancel out other Instructions from YHWH, it's purpose is to focus on Him and His Instructions. To use the Sabbath to cease from the remaining part of YHWH's Instructions (as the Pharisees did) is to break the intent of the Sabbath.

The 7th day Sabbath is STILL looking forward to the rest in Yah that none have yet entered, the rest Yahshua offers that none have yet entered.

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflicted rest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”

2 Peter 3:8, “But, beloved ones, let not this one matter be hidden from you: that with יהוה one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”

Hosheyah 6:1-3, “Come, and let us turn back to יהוה. For He has torn but He does heal us, He has stricken but He binds us up. After two days He shall revive us, on the third day He shall raise us up, so that we live before Him. So let us know, let us pursue to know יהוה. His going forth is as certain as the morning. And He comes to us like the rain, like the latter rain watering the earth.”

Rev 20:4-6, "And I saw thrones – and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them – and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to יהושע and because of the Word of Ylohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) – this is the first resurrection. Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of YHWH and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."

For Messiah said:
Matt 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"

Hebrews 4:10, “For he who has entered into His rest has also ceased from his own works*, as YHWH did from His*.”

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: *from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

The real rest, that the Sabbath looks forward to, that none have yet entered into is this:
Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

It is a training tool for the will of Yah that makes us more like He wants us to be, and only those who are in His will enter the rest, in this life and the next.

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"

 

[GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES]

and we have sabbath faker.

I have no idea what you mean to say there.

 

[gb9]

I have no idea what you mean to say there.

I have no idea what you mean to say there.

I am saying-keeping the jewish Sabbath has nothing to do with salvation by faith in Christ.