Are the words of the Messiah above all else?

[Jewel5712]

I just told you how I view those scriptures.....the words of Paul ARE the words of JESUS......end of story!

Falling on deaf ears my friend..

 

[Shamah]

I just told you how I view those scriptures.....the words of Paul ARE the words of JESUS......end of story!

but that statement you made does not in any way touch on or answer my question about Deuteronomy 18:18-19 and John 14:23-26 its meaning and effects.

 

[Shamah]

John 10:30-38 New International Version (NIV)
30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”


You cant seperate the 2

Still not discussing the OP, but no worries, maybe it will lead into Deut 18 and its meaing.

I beleive this fully. There is no debate here Im with this, He said "He is Yah's son and the Father is in Him and He in the Father" Now I do not take the Pharisees assessment as the Messiah words or doctrine. How the pharisees see things is fallible. He also said this:

Yahanan/John 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

These are both from the same gospel and authentic IMO, I see no contradiciton, and I believe His words.

He also said this:

John/Yahanan 17:17-24, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world. And for them I set Myself apart, so that they too might be set apart in truth."That they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe that You have sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me, I have given them; that they may be in unity, just as We are in unity. I in them, and You in Me--so that they may be made perfect in unity; and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them, as You have loved Me. Father, it is My will that they, whom You gave Me, also be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world."

 

[Jewel5712]

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deny what? now your imply I dont know the Most High? I asked that we could discuss Scripture and you say this, I am very confused by this, what did I say that was wrong?

I asked you if you KNOW HIM because if you DID..there would be NO QUESTION about authority..

 

[Jewel5712]

Still not discussing the OP, but no worries, maybe it will lead into Deut 18 and its meaing.

I beleive this fully. There is no debate here Im with this, He said "He is Yah's son and the Father is in Him and He in the Father" Now I do not take the Pharisees assessment as the Messiah words or doctrine. How the pharisees see things is fallible. He also said this:

Yahanan/John 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

These are both from the same gospel and authentic IMO, I see no contradiciton, and I believe His words.

He also said this:

John/Yahanan 17:17-24, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world. And for them I set Myself apart, so that they too might be set apart in truth."That they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe that You have sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me, I have given them; that they may be in unity, just as We are in unity. I in them, and You in Me--so that they may be made perfect in unity; and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them, as You have loved Me. Father, it is My will that they, whom You gave Me, also be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world."

Have you read over every reply on this thread..most are telling you the same thing i am..most dont agree with you..most have SHOWN you scripture that you refuse to acknowledge but its everyone ELSES issue? I had you pegged from the begining and you KNOW it..lol

 

[Shamah]

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I asked you if you KNOW HIM because if you DID..there would be NO QUESTION about authority..

I indeed do, He has sent my on an amazing journey.

Jeremiah 9:23-26, “Thus said יהוה, “Let not the wise boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty boast in his might, nor let the rich boast in his riches, but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am יהוה, doing loving-commitment, judgment, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight,” declares יהוה, “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall punish all circumcised with the uncircumcised; Mitsrayim, and Yehuḏah, and Eḏom, and the children of Ammon, and Mo’aḇ, and all those trimmed on the edges, who dwell in the wilderness. For all the nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Yisra’ĕl are uncircumcised in heart!”

I would ask you concerning this particular matter, what would make you think I dont know Him or His authority when I say that by the decree of YHWH the Father Yahshua the Messiah is abouve all?

Rev 19:16 "And on His robe and on His thighd He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS."

 

[Shamah]

Have you read over every reply on this thread..most are telling you the same thing i am..most dont agree with you..most have SHOWN you scripture that you refuse to acknowledge but its everyone ELSES issue? I had you pegged from the begining and you KNOW it..lol

Can you show me a single reply that talks about Deut 18:18-19? Because that is the root of my belief in this matter, YHWH own words... How can one debate or discuss a Scriptual topic without talking about said Scripture? DO other Scriptures cancel it out so it may be ignored? See I think thats your problem, you "have pepole pegged from the beginning" So because Yahsua said He and His Father are one Deut 18:18-19 is abolished or whats going on here?

 

[Jewel5712]

I indeed do, He has sent my on an amazing journey.

Jeremiah 9:23-26, “Thus said יהוה, “Let not the wise boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty boast in his might, nor let the rich boast in his riches, but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am יהוה, doing loving-commitment, judgment, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight,” declares יהוה, “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall punish all circumcised with the uncircumcised; Mitsrayim, and Yehuḏah, and Eḏom, and the children of Ammon, and Mo’aḇ, and all those trimmed on the edges, who dwell in the wilderness. For all the nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Yisra’ĕl are uncircumcised in heart!”

I would ask you concerning this particular matter, what would make you think I dont know Him or His authority when I say that by the decree of YHWH the Father Yahshua the Messiah is abouve all?

Rev 19:16 "And on His robe and on His thighd He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS."

Satan knows God and can quote scripture..a lot of people say they KNEW God but dont..i asked you AGAIN bout it because..AGAIN if you knew him as well as professed this OP wouldnt even be in question..

 

[Jewel5712]

Can you show me a single reply that talks about Deut 18:18-19? Because that is the root of my belief in this matter, YHWH own words... How can one debate or discuss a Scriptual topic without talking about said Scripture? DO other Scriptures cancel it out so it may be ignored? See I think thats your problem, you "have pepole pegged from the beginning" So because Yahsua said He and His Father are one Deut 18:18-19 is abolished or whats going on here?

2 scriptures make a flimsy debate when others have shown you other ones UPON YOUR REQUEST that refute your beliefs

 

[FirstLovedByHim]

PraiseYah! pray and study it out!

Okay I prayed and Yeshua gave answer. He is the highest authority because He is the Administrator. It is like this system (but greater) we have here for heaven is a kingdom. Like we have a vice president under the President so forth and so on, or captain or chief. What he says personally of course supersedes all others . But all who are under Him in their various positions are His authority because they are directed according to their rank/gifts given. Each ones authority is different in degree. They do according to the gifts given under His authority. A police officer acts according to his rank and is obedient to His captian so forth and so on concerning ranking in kingdoms.

The Reward of Service Mathew 10:41-42
40He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives the One who sent Me. 41Whoever receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward. 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is My disciple, truly I tell you, he will never lose his reward.”…

So all are His authority but He is the highest authority, when we see a prophet of His we know he speaks on the Lords behalf. All are important silver , gold , precious gems all have value but some are more valuable than others, but all worthy and are of Him.
God Bless!

 

[Shamah]

Satan knows God and can quote scripture..a lot of people say they KNEW God but dont..i asked you AGAIN bout it because..AGAIN if you knew him as well as professed this OP wouldnt even be in question..

So you are implying I don;t know Him... Becasue exactly why? Can you show me exactly word for word what deserves this accusation?

 

[Jewel5712]

Can you show me a single reply that talks about Deut 18:18-19? Because that is the root of my belief in this matter, YHWH own words... How can one debate or discuss a Scriptual topic without talking about said Scripture? DO other Scriptures cancel it out so it may be ignored? See I think thats your problem, you "have pepole pegged from the beginning" So because Yahsua said He and His Father are one Deut 18:18-19 is abolished or whats going on here?

If you wanted people ONLY TO USE THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED for this whole thread and bot ANY OTHER ONES..you shouldve put that in your OP but then..dont keep ASKING people with proof of scriptures...youre contradicting yourself..badley

 

[Jewel5712]

Okay I prayed and Yeshua gave answer. He is the highest authority because He is the Administrator. It is like this system (but greater) we have here for heaven is a kingdom. Like we have a vice president under the President so forth and so on, or captain or chief. What he says personally of course supersedes all others . But all who are under Him in their various positions are His authority because they are directed according to their rank/gifts given. Each ones authority is different in degree. They do according to the gifts given under His authority. A police officer acts according to his rank and is obedient to His captian so forth and so on concerning ranking in kingdoms.

The Reward of Service Mathew 10:41-42
40He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives the One who sent Me. 41Whoever receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward. 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is My disciple, truly I tell you, he will never lose his reward.”…

So all are His authority but He is the highest authority, when we see a prophet of His we know he speaks on the Lords behalf. All are important silver , gold , precious gems all have value but some are more valuable than others, but all worthy and are of Him.
God Bless!

THANK YOU!

 

[Shamah]

2 scriptures make a flimsy debate when others have shown you other ones UPON YOUR REQUEST that refute your beliefs

So Ill take that as a no, nobody explained Deut 18:18-19?

There are many Scriptures that support this, those of the 12 quote it and seem to take the same view I do.

But... if nobody that disagrees with my view of Deut 18 will even discuss it and its meaning I should then continue to post all the verses that support my view?

How about the MEssiah's own words?

John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”

Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

There are plenty more...

 

[Shamah]

If you wanted people ONLY TO USE THE SCRIPTURES YOU POSTED for this whole thread and bot ANY OTHER ONES..you shouldve put that in your OP but then..dont keep ASKING people with proof of scriptures...youre contradicting yourself..badley

You are misrepresent what I have said. All Scripture is welcome here.

I said none that disagree will discuss the Scriptures I have posted. Have you explained what Deut 18:18-19 means if I am wrong? If I am so wrong could you not easily explain what is right and is that not proper?

 

[Jewel5712]

@Shamah...dont you see..youre getting your answers repeatedly but dont want to accept them because you dont agree with them...if you DONT want to be open to peoples thoughts and beliefs even different than yours..please DONT post a thread saying you want insight when you really dont..like i said..many many replies before..brick wall!

 

[Jewel5712]

Lol..it amazes me how you keep replying to me and totally ignore other responses...lol

 

[Shamah]

Okay I prayed and Yeshua gave answer. He is the highest authority because He is the Administrator. It is like this system (but greater) we have here for heaven is a kingdom. Like we have a vice president under the President so forth and so on, or captain or chief. What he says personally of course supersedes all others . But all who are under Him in their various positions are His authority because they are directed according to their rank/gifts given. Each ones authority is different in degree. They do according to the gifts given under His authority. A police officer acts according to his rank and is obedient to His captian so forth and so on concerning ranking in kingdoms.

The Reward of Service Mathew 10:41-42
40He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives the One who sent Me. 41Whoever receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward. 42And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is My disciple, truly I tell you, he will never lose his reward.”…

So all are His authority but He is the highest authority, when we see a prophet of His we know he speaks on the Lords behalf. All are important silver , gold , precious gems all have value but some are more valuable than others, but all worthy and are of Him.
God Bless!

praiseYah! may He bless you and keep you!

Matthew 12:50, “For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the heavens is My brother and sister and mother.”

Jeremiah 23:5-6,5 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall raise for Dawiḏ a Branch of righteousness, and a Sovereign shall reign and act wisely, and shall do right-ruling and righteousness in the earth. In His days Yehuḏah shall be saved, and Yisra’ĕl dwell safely. And this is His Name whereby He shall be called: ‘יהוה our Righteousness.’"

 

[Jewel5712]

You are misrepresent what I have said. All Scripture is welcome here.

I said none that disagree will discuss the Scriptures I have posted. Have you explained what Deut 18:18-19 means if I am wrong? If I am so wrong could you not easily explain what is right and is that not proper?

I gave you scripture fir my belief as many others here..if you dont know what your own scriptures mean maybe you need to study more

 

[Shamah]

John 14:23-24, "יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”


John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”