There will be no last day judgement for the elect.
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You do not listen to a word any one says to you. You are so self centered and steeped in your biases that there is no way to communicate with you. My mother in law used to say those who will not listen have to feel.
Someone says grace and you hear works. Someone says sovereignty and your hear severity. You rob God of one of His essential characteristics. God loves His creation. God loves the sinner and desires that they should become saints. You see God as a maniacal creator of souls He determines to destroy never giving them hope of redemption. You confuse election with salvation.
I see all scripture in perfect harmony. I do not set God against Himself. You claim to be spiritual yet every evidence you give is that you are natural. If we are to know the saints of God by their fruits then it's about time you show some.
Christians grow, by nature they grow in the knowledge of the Lord.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Someone says grace and you hear works. Someone says sovereignty and your hear severity. You rob God of one of His essential characteristics. God loves His creation. God loves the sinner and desires that they should become saints. You see God as a maniacal creator of souls He determines to destroy never giving them hope of redemption. You confuse election with salvation.
I see all scripture in perfect harmony. I do not set God against Himself. You claim to be spiritual yet every evidence you give is that you are natural. If we are to know the saints of God by their fruits then it's about time you show some.
Christians grow, by nature they grow in the knowledge of the Lord.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
All souls are the creation of God. The lost are marred by the consequence of sin but God has created every soul. God has created them without sin but man chooses to sin. This is the fundamental reason that man must choose to forsake sin and receive Christ. man cannot earn salvation but God offers salvation to every soul.
In a most general sense all are the children of God. Only those who have received Christ shall see the kingdom of God. In a more specific sense all also are children of the devil. This is why men must be redeemed or perish with the devil in the lake of fire.
All souls are created by God. All souls sin and become children of the devil. Those who call upon Jesus to save them are born again to new life in Christ.
Eph 2:1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
We often quote verses 8 & 9 but neglect the earlier verses. Verse 3 places us in the same boat as the rest of the lost souls on earth. We are not better that we should merit salvation but we deserve condemnation as much as they.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
In a most general sense all are the children of God. Only those who have received Christ shall see the kingdom of God. In a more specific sense all also are children of the devil. This is why men must be redeemed or perish with the devil in the lake of fire.
All souls are created by God. All souls sin and become children of the devil. Those who call upon Jesus to save them are born again to new life in Christ.
Eph 2:1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
We often quote verses 8 & 9 but neglect the earlier verses. Verse 3 places us in the same boat as the rest of the lost souls on earth. We are not better that we should merit salvation but we deserve condemnation as much as they.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Agree with your thoughts about the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit leads one, convicts one unto salvation. That does not mean, however, that the person is indwelled by the Holy Spirit before salvation. The Bible is clear about that. The Holy Spirit can lead a lost person to the truth of the gospel. It is the person's individual choice to heed the call of the Spirit to be saved.
All souls are the creation of God. The lost are marred by the consequence of sin but God has created every soul. God has created them without sin but man chooses to sin. This is the fundamental reason that man must choose to forsake sin and receive Christ. man cannot earn salvation but God offers salvation to every soul.
In a most general sense all are the children of God. Only those who have received Christ shall see the kingdom of God. In a more specific sense all also are children of the devil. This is why men must be redeemed or perish with the devil in the lake of fire.
All souls are created by God. All souls sin and become children of the devil. Those who call upon Jesus to save them are born again to new life in Christ.
Eph 2:1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
We often quote verses 8 & 9 but neglect the earlier verses. Verse 3 places us in the same boat as the rest of the lost souls on earth. We are not better that we should merit salvation but we deserve condemnation as much as they.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
In a most general sense all are the children of God. Only those who have received Christ shall see the kingdom of God. In a more specific sense all also are children of the devil. This is why men must be redeemed or perish with the devil in the lake of fire.
All souls are created by God. All souls sin and become children of the devil. Those who call upon Jesus to save them are born again to new life in Christ.
Eph 2:1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
We often quote verses 8 & 9 but neglect the earlier verses. Verse 3 places us in the same boat as the rest of the lost souls on earth. We are not better that we should merit salvation but we deserve condemnation as much as they.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
This is where you jump the tracks. You profess to know Gods will when you clearly do not.
The gospel is foolishness to those who perish. To those who are saved it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believeth. Not as you falsely claim only the elect but to all who believe.
Learn what is truth and stop fighting against Gods will.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The gospel is foolishness to those who perish. To those who are saved it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believeth. Not as you falsely claim only the elect but to all who believe.
Learn what is truth and stop fighting against Gods will.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Eph 2:5, What does "quickened" mean? To me it means that God has taken the natural man, who is dead ( no spiritual life ) in sins and has , quickened ( brought to spiritual life ). Now that he is born again to a spiritual life, he can hear and respond to the spiritual gospel and grow in faith. The Holy Spirit cannot lead the natural man to the truth of the gospel according to the description of the natural man in 1 Cor 2:14, because he cannot discern spiritual things..
I thought I addressed such an idea in this post (pertaining specifically to His "boule/boulen [G1012 - will/counsel/decree]" [also used in Eph1:11] ):
https://christianchat.com/threads/calvinism-vs-arminianism.177817/post-3674963
https://christianchat.com/threads/calvinism-vs-arminianism.177817/post-3674963
You are claiming that the natural man can believe spiritual things, when it plainly states that he will not, and even cannot discern spiritual things. Rom 1:16, There you go again, trying to prove that the natural man can discern spiritual things, by using scriptures that have reference to instructions to children of God. There is a deliverance (salvation) here on earth, to the children of God, in gaining a knowledge of the truth through the Holy Spirit's revelation of the gospel. As I have told you before, the only way that you can uphold your version of the truth, is to give the natural man the ability to discern spiritual things and it is not going to happen. Rom 1:16, does not say, everyone that will believe. It says everyone who "BELIEVETH", which is present tense.
Acts 3 [blb] -
13The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, whom indeed you betrayed and disowned in the presence of Pilate, that one having adjudged to release Him. 14But you denied the Holy and Righteous One and requested a murderer to be granted to you. 15And you killed the Author of life, whom God has raised up out from the dead, whereof we are witnesses.
16And on the faith in His name, this man whom you see and know, His name has strengthened; and the faith which is through Him has given to him this complete soundness before all of you.
17And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your rulers also. 18But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ should suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19Repent, therefore, and turn again, for the blotting out of your sins
Chpt 4 verse 4 says, "But MANY of those having heard the word believed" (not ALL who had).
13The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, whom indeed you betrayed and disowned in the presence of Pilate, that one having adjudged to release Him. 14But you denied the Holy and Righteous One and requested a murderer to be granted to you. 15And you killed the Author of life, whom God has raised up out from the dead, whereof we are witnesses.
16And on the faith in His name, this man whom you see and know, His name has strengthened; and the faith which is through Him has given to him this complete soundness before all of you.
17And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your rulers also. 18But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ should suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19Repent, therefore, and turn again, for the blotting out of your sins
Chpt 4 verse 4 says, "But MANY of those having heard the word believed" (not ALL who had).
Jesus said that even evil men could give good gifts. So yes every man has the necessary light to hear the word of God and to respond to the word of God. Even you can respond to Gods word if you will just listen to Him.
Who will believe? Those that hear the word of God and receive it through the Holy Spirit.
Every man inherited the ability to choose between good and evil. John 3:16-21 shows this clearly. Adam received the ability to choose between good and evil as a consequence of the fall in the garden.
If only you would stop teaching falsehood and learn the truth from Gods word. By the way no man can be saved before he was born. You cannot have been born again or saved when Christ died on the cross.
Those who will not receive admonition will by necessity need to experience the consequences of their sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Who will believe? Those that hear the word of God and receive it through the Holy Spirit.
Every man inherited the ability to choose between good and evil. John 3:16-21 shows this clearly. Adam received the ability to choose between good and evil as a consequence of the fall in the garden.
If only you would stop teaching falsehood and learn the truth from Gods word. By the way no man can be saved before he was born. You cannot have been born again or saved when Christ died on the cross.
Those who will not receive admonition will by necessity need to experience the consequences of their sin.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
All souls are the creation of God. The lost are marred by the consequence of sin but God has created every soul. God has created them without sin but man chooses to sin. This is the fundamental reason that man must choose to forsake sin and receive Christ. man cannot earn salvation but God offers salvation to every soul.
In a most general sense all are the children of God. Only those who have received Christ shall see the kingdom of God. In a more specific sense all also are children of the devil. This is why men must be redeemed or perish with the devil in the lake of fire.
All souls are created by God. All souls sin and become children of the devil. Those who call upon Jesus to save them are born again to new life in Christ.
Eph 2:1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
We often quote verses 8 & 9 but neglect the earlier verses. Verse 3 places us in the same boat as the rest of the lost souls on earth. We are not better that we should merit salvation but we deserve condemnation as much as they.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
In a most general sense all are the children of God. Only those who have received Christ shall see the kingdom of God. In a more specific sense all also are children of the devil. This is why men must be redeemed or perish with the devil in the lake of fire.
All souls are created by God. All souls sin and become children of the devil. Those who call upon Jesus to save them are born again to new life in Christ.
Eph 2:1 ¶ And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
We often quote verses 8 & 9 but neglect the earlier verses. Verse 3 places us in the same boat as the rest of the lost souls on earth. We are not better that we should merit salvation but we deserve condemnation as much as they.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
John 3:16, everyone who "BELIEVETH" ( present tense ), not WILL BELIEVE (future tense), This verse is pertaining to believers only. Furthermore, the natural man cannot believe in spiritual things until he has the Spirit. I am convinced that you will continue to use scriptures, that are talking about children of God, to try to give the natural man the ability to discern spiritual things, which is a contradiction to 1 Cor 2:14. The natural man cannot HEAR the word of God, respond to the word of God, listen to God, believe spiritual things, receive the word of God. These attributes are confined to the spiritual man, because they can discern spiritual things.
Acts 3 [blb] -
13The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, whom indeed you betrayed and disowned in the presence of Pilate, that one having adjudged to release Him. 14But you denied the Holy and Righteous One and requested a murderer to be granted to you. 15And you killed the Author of life, whom God has raised up out from the dead, whereof we are witnesses.
16And on the faith in His name, this man whom you see and know, His name has strengthened; and the faith which is through Him has given to him this complete soundness before all of you.
17And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your rulers also. 18But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ should suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19Repent, therefore, and turn again, for the blotting out of your sins
Chpt 4 verse 4 says, "But MANY of those having heard the word believed" (not ALL who had).
13The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, whom indeed you betrayed and disowned in the presence of Pilate, that one having adjudged to release Him. 14But you denied the Holy and Righteous One and requested a murderer to be granted to you. 15And you killed the Author of life, whom God has raised up out from the dead, whereof we are witnesses.
16And on the faith in His name, this man whom you see and know, His name has strengthened; and the faith which is through Him has given to him this complete soundness before all of you.
17And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your rulers also. 18But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ should suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19Repent, therefore, and turn again, for the blotting out of your sins
Chpt 4 verse 4 says, "But MANY of those having heard the word believed" (not ALL who had).
V.40
"40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."
Acts 2:41 [ylt] -
"then those, indeed, who did gladly receive his word were baptized, and there were added on that day, as it were, three thousand souls"
...note, it doesn't say every single person present, did so. Do you think?
https://biblehub.com/text/acts/2-41.htm
I'm actually not sure of your point of moving back a chapter either. I was on chpt 3 and 4:4.
"40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."
Acts 2:41 [ylt] -
"then those, indeed, who did gladly receive his word were baptized, and there were added on that day, as it were, three thousand souls"
...note, it doesn't say every single person present, did so. Do you think?
https://biblehub.com/text/acts/2-41.htm
I'm actually not sure of your point of moving back a chapter either.
I was on chpt 3 and 4:4.
Why do you hate your fellow man? Is there no sense in your heart that the lost abide in flames for eternity? Your bias against lost souls is evident. You insert your bias into the verses you read and cannot see the truth that God has openly placed there for your edification.
You do not show evidence of the indwelling Holy Spirit but readily show your personal opinion of Gods word needing your corrections in place of what God has given.
Do you love anyone other than yourself?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You do not show evidence of the indwelling Holy Spirit but readily show your personal opinion of Gods word needing your corrections in place of what God has given.
Do you love anyone other than yourself?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
V.40
"40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."
Acts 2:41 [ylt] -
"then those, indeed, who did gladly receive his word were baptized, and there were added on that day, as it were, three thousand souls"
...note, it doesn't say every single person present, did so. Do you think?
https://biblehub.com/text/acts/2-41.htm
I'm actually not sure of your point of moving back a chapter either. I was on chpt 3 and 4:4.
"40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."
Acts 2:41 [ylt] -
"then those, indeed, who did gladly receive his word were baptized, and there were added on that day, as it were, three thousand souls"
...note, it doesn't say every single person present, did so. Do you think?
https://biblehub.com/text/acts/2-41.htm
I'm actually not sure of your point of moving back a chapter either.
I was on chpt 3 and 4:4.