There will be no last day judgement for the elect.
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And, who are the ALL WHO BELIEVE ( present tense ), not all who WILL believe ( future tense ), All who believe are the elect. You are still trying to give the natural man the ability to believe, and he cannot believe in spiritual things. My mind is trying to think back on how many times I have told you this, and you just keep coming back with the natural man having the ability to discern spiritual things. The only way in attempting to learn the truth is to try to make the scriptures harmonize, and you are not.
I just made a post today, regarding the wicked [esp those at a particular time, but perhaps it will help you see something]... NOTE the brackets I added about Isaiah 24:21-23 (in relation to the other passage being discussed in that post, which passage covers "the wicked" in part):
https://christianchat.com/threads/rapture.178506/post-3685934
Would your idea still hold, when viewing these?
"AS other men" means something other than what you are making it mean (at least, according to this other passage about "the wicked" ^ ), or at least what it sounds to me like what you are suggesting it does, anyway.
https://christianchat.com/threads/rapture.178506/post-3685934
Would your idea still hold, when viewing these?
"AS other men" means something other than what you are making it mean (at least, according to this other passage about "the wicked" ^ ), or at least what it sounds to me like what you are suggesting it does, anyway.
Acts 3 [blb] -
13The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, whom indeed you betrayed and disowned in the presence of Pilate, that one having adjudged to release Him. 14But you denied the Holy and Righteous One and requested a murderer to be granted to you. 15And you killed the Author of life, whom God has raised up out from the dead, whereof we are witnesses.
16And on the faith in His name, this man whom you see and know, His name has strengthened; and the faith which is through Him has given to him this complete soundness before all of you.
17And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your rulers also. 18But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ should suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19Repent, therefore, and turn again, for the blotting out of your sins
Chpt 4 verse 4 says, "But MANY of those having heard the word believed" (not ALL who had).
13The God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, whom indeed you betrayed and disowned in the presence of Pilate, that one having adjudged to release Him. 14But you denied the Holy and Righteous One and requested a murderer to be granted to you. 15And you killed the Author of life, whom God has raised up out from the dead, whereof we are witnesses.
16And on the faith in His name, this man whom you see and know, His name has strengthened; and the faith which is through Him has given to him this complete soundness before all of you.
17And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your rulers also. 18But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ should suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19Repent, therefore, and turn again, for the blotting out of your sins
Chpt 4 verse 4 says, "But MANY of those having heard the word believed" (not ALL who had).
Natural man born spiritually separated from God is reckoned as having "no faith" not little but none. He stands condemed from birth because he has "no faith" to believe God . Its not a arbitrarily selection but one that comes from the one mind of God who always does whatsoever his soul desires. It is God who make our hearts soft watering it with the gospel of salvation, feeding us with the bread of life.
He chose us are new creatures not we chose Him .he must do the first creative work by giving us a faith so that we can beleive as a anchor to our new born again souls
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he "hath not" believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.John 3:18
My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined. Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.
Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:
He will not forget the good works you have offered towards His name.Again as he does work in us, with us to both will and perform His good pleasure .(imputed righteousness)
We work out the free gift of faith, not work to gain it like the man in Mathew 7 called a worker of iniquity.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Philipians2:12-13
He chose us are new creatures not we chose Him .he must do the first creative work by giving us a faith so that we can beleive as a anchor to our new born again souls
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he "hath not" believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.John 3:18
My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined. Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.
Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him. For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:
He will not forget the good works you have offered towards His name.Again as he does work in us, with us to both will and perform His good pleasure .(imputed righteousness)
We work out the free gift of faith, not work to gain it like the man in Mathew 7 called a worker of iniquity.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Philipians2:12-13
Romans 7:14-25 [in the same context as vv.1-4, mind you] -
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
...and then chapter 8:1-4 goes on to tell of the Power Source ("the law of the Spirit of LIFE IN Christ Jesus...");
... I like how Wm R Newell puts this: "For in Chapter Eight we are conscious at last of the blessed indwelling Spirit, and so, of all other saints; while the legal struggle is carried on in terrible loneliness." [I, I, I...]
You might be referring to "the flesh," which is NEVER reformed.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
...and then chapter 8:1-4 goes on to tell of the Power Source ("the law of the Spirit of LIFE IN Christ Jesus...");
... I like how Wm R Newell puts this: "For in Chapter Eight we are conscious at last of the blessed indwelling Spirit, and so, of all other saints; while the legal struggle is carried on in terrible loneliness." [I, I, I...]
You might be referring to "the flesh," which is NEVER reformed.
Context is how one corrects proof texts.
Ps 73:17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.
the Psalmist is complaining to God at the apparent prosperity of the wicked and the suffering of the righteous.
Mt 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Ps 73:17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.
the Psalmist is complaining to God at the apparent prosperity of the wicked and the suffering of the righteous.
Mt 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I would offer the word world in respect to this corrupted world is used of everyone, believers as well as un believers (no faith)
Satan the god of this world deceives the whole world . Not just the Christian world, or Jewish world the or the world of Buddhism.. etc
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.Revelation 12:9
Its how he loved the world and not who but in respect to as many as the father gave to the son they alone as the elect will come and those alone will he not cast out, as if he begins the good work of salivation and cannot finish it to the end as those who endure to the end .
Finishing is better than starting just as patience is better than pride. In that way God's love as to the first work is patience (long suffering) and because it is, it then can then be Kind .Kindness does not boast or keep a record of wrongs suffered .
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: Philipian1:6
Satan the god of this world deceives the whole world . Not just the Christian world, or Jewish world the or the world of Buddhism.. etc
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.Revelation 12:9
Its how he loved the world and not who but in respect to as many as the father gave to the son they alone as the elect will come and those alone will he not cast out, as if he begins the good work of salivation and cannot finish it to the end as those who endure to the end .
Finishing is better than starting just as patience is better than pride. In that way God's love as to the first work is patience (long suffering) and because it is, it then can then be Kind .Kindness does not boast or keep a record of wrongs suffered .
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: Philipian1:6
You are the one taking that position. Do the wicked contract cancer? Do the wicked suffer the loss of a child to horrible diseases?
God allows sin to manifest in the bodies of all men that the consequences of sin may be made manifest.
Do the good and the wicked age and become infirmed?
Now stop with this foolishness. The wicked see God moving and reject Him because they understand but do not like what they understand.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God allows sin to manifest in the bodies of all men that the consequences of sin may be made manifest.
Do the good and the wicked age and become infirmed?
Now stop with this foolishness. The wicked see God moving and reject Him because they understand but do not like what they understand.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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