OSAS= House Built on Sand

[LW97]

When I say ungodly sights and sounds, I’m referring to secular music and television as well as anything on the internet that is unseemly.




JPT

Depends. See Romans 14. As long it is not ungodly or obsessive, it should not be a problem

 

[LW97]

Brother you repented and God forgave you.


There are millions of Christians believing they can live that way without repenting or confessing their sin and still be saved on the Day of Judgement.



JPT

False, there are NO Christians who believe such garbage. All religious folks who believe that are not true Christians, the Bible says...

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17

Is that a lie from the devil? We can agree that you cannot live like the devil and go to heaven. Yet it's blasphemous to teach that true Christians had a soft attitude towards sin. No, we hate sin!

GBY

 

[LW97]

I don't think we are supposed to hate people, that is evident here:

Leviticus 19:
17, "‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Reprove your neighbor, for certain, and bear no sin because of him."
34, "‘Let the stranger who dwells among you be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself. For you were strangers in the land of Mitsrayim. I am יהוה your Strength."


but we are supposed to hate evil:

Hating Evil

Hebrews 1:9
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"YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."

Proverbs 8:13
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"The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverted mouth, I hate.
Psalm 97:10
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Hate evil, you who love the LORD, Who preserves the souls of His godly ones; He delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Amos 5:15
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Hate evil, love good, And establish justice in the gate! Perhaps the LORD God of hosts May be gracious to the remnant of Joseph.
Romans 12:9
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Let love be without hypocrisy Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good.
Exodus 18:21
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"Furthermore, you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, men of truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them as leaders of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties and of tens.
Psalm 119:104
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From Your precepts I get understanding; Therefore I hate every false way.
Psalm 119:128
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Therefore I esteem right all Your precepts concerning everything, I hate every false way.
Proverbs 13:5
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A righteous man hates falsehood, But a wicked man acts disgustingly and shamefully.
Psalm 119:163
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I hate and despise falsehood, But I love Your law.
Psalm 101:3
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I will set no worthless thing before my eyes; I hate the work of those who fall away; It shall not fasten its grip on me.
Proverbs 15:27
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He who profits illicitly troubles his own house, But he who hates bribes will live.
Psalm 45:7
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You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of joy above Your fellows.

Amen!

 

[LW97]

6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associatewith sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

Amen

 

[LW97]

Your right, OSAS is not the gospel

The Gospel is God so loved the world that he sent his son, that whoever places their faith in him shall never die, but has in their possession eternal life.

this the gospel supports Once Saved Always Saved. (eternal life)

justpassingthrough is not a true Christian. He openly admitted he has no changed attitude towards sin! If there is just one Christian who believes he could live like the devil, then 2 Corinthians 5:17 is a fraud.

 

[preacher4truth]

The Gospel is God so loved the world that he sent his son, that whoever places their faith in him shall never die, but has in their possession eternal life.

The above has to be one of the most man-centered and horrific renderings of John 3:16 I've ever seen. Robert Sandeman, Charles Finney and other heretics would be proud

 

[notuptome]

The above has to be one of the most man-centered and horrific renderings of John 3:16 I've ever seen. Robert Sandeman, Charles Finney and other heretics would be proud

An outstanding example of love and compassion. Well not even.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[justpassinthrough]

Yes, but I don't believe that. The Bible is clear that Christians are new creatures and don't desire to sin

Paul teaches us we must learn to obey the Spirit within us, rather than the sin that dwells in our flesh.


Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
Romans 6:12-13


We all have a choice, to listen and obey what Christ and His Apostles instruct us to do or not.

We as born again Christian’s must choose to walk according to the flesh or walk according to the Spirit.


Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Romans 6:16

• you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

It says the truth is not in him. Not that the truth was ever in him, see 1 John 3:6

The phrase “I know Him” is the key.


Do you know what that phrase means?



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

False, they never were true Christians, they never had eternal life, read 1 John 2:19

False and never true?

What are you talking about.


Where do you find those words in this scripture?

If you just add your words to scripture then to make it mean whatever you want, then why bother even reading and studying the scriptures.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


Whoever hates his brother


“His brother” refers to two Christian brothers.


Please don’t make the mistake of ignoring a scripture and explaining it away by adding your words to it.



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

Depends. See Romans 14. As long it is not ungodly or obsessive, it should not be a problem

Worldly music and television are poison to the Spirit filled Christian.


Have you been baptized with the Spirit?




JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

We can agree that you cannot live like the devil and go to heaven. Yet it's blasphemous to teach that true Christians had a soft attitude towards sin. No, we hate sin!

I’m just telling you what people who promote the OSAS doctrine believe.





JPT

 

[LW97]

I’m just telling you what people who promote the OSAS doctrine believe.





JPT

Do I believe in the common OSAS doctrine? That doctrine that teaches you could live like the devil and go to heaven without repentance? No, I don't

 

[LW97]

False and never true?

What are you talking about.


Where do you find those words in this scripture?

If you just add your words to scripture then to make it mean whatever you want, then why bother even reading and studying the scriptures.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


Whoever hates his brother


“His brother” refers to two Christian brothers.


Please don’t make the mistake of ignoring a scripture and explaining it away by adding your words to it.



JPT

Again, this refers to a false brother, see the Parable of the Wheat and Tares. Are you saying a Christian will instanly die spiritually at the moment he gets angry at his brother without a reason?

 

[LW97]

Paul teaches us we must learn to obey the Spirit within us, rather than the sin that dwells in our flesh.


Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
Romans 6:12-13


We all have a choice, to listen and obey what Christ and His Apostles instruct us to do or not.

We as born again Christian’s must choose to walk according to the flesh or walk according to the Spirit.


Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
Romans 6:16

• you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

JPT

True Christians don't become slaves to sin. Indeed we have a choice, but does a true Christian make the choice to live ungodly? I think not

 

[LW97]

The phrase “I know Him” is the key.


Do you know what that phrase means?



JPT

This person may say he knows them, but actually he does not.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. 3 John 11

This verse does not say "may have seen God, but now lost him again". No, John the Baptist wrote such a person has never seen God. I think that should be clear, just like the fact that those who built on sand never built on the rock.

 

[LW97]

Worldly music and television are poison to the Spirit filled Christian.


Have you been baptized with the Spirit?




JPT

Yes, I am, and yes, there is stuff that grieves me. I have new desires to before, yet, about non sinful things we can have moderation. We are not to be legalistic.

 

[LW97]

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1 John 5:4

What part of "W-H-A-T-S-O-E-V-E-R" do you not understand?

 

[LW97]

Yes, I am, and yes, there is stuff that grieves me. I have new desires to before, yet, about non sinful things we can have moderation. We are not to be legalistic.

See Romans 14. Not condoning sin in any way, yet we are not to create lots of rules, just walk in the spirit and you will lose obsession over sins you loved to commit before you were saved

 

[LW97]

I’m just telling you what people who promote the OSAS doctrine believe.





JPT

Yet this doctrine is correct in sense that a true Christian will never turn back to his old life