OSAS= House Built on Sand

[Seohce]

WHAT A SHAME. NOTICE AND WATCH THESE OSAS PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS WHO CLAIM AND DECLARE THAT “FAITH ALONE” SAVES AND IT IS “NOT BY WÒRKS” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE, WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND COLLECTS TITHES FROM THEIR MEMBERS SAYING THAT IF THEY WOULD NOT GIVE TITHES, THEY ARE ROBBING GOD.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.

..THAT TITHE-GIVING IS A TEST OF FAITH AND THAT GOD WILL BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY BECAUSE WHAT THEY GIVE WILL COME BACK TO THEM IN GOOD MEASURE AND RUNNING OVER.(luke 6:38)

THAT’S HOW THESE VIPERS IN THEIR GREED AND HYPOCRISY DECEIVE THEIR PREYS(UNKNOWING VICTIMS)

THEY THINK THEY CAN BRIBE GOD.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

THESE VIPERS WILL STILL BE SAVED ACCORDING TO THE OSAS DOCTRINE…

...WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or GREEDY, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or GREEDY person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.


MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)


DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;


“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE


DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!


OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES!!!


3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”

 

[notuptome]

Not sure who this addressed to Roger.

It's not you. A few caps for emphasis is good but wanton use of caps is abusive and rude.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[LW97]

WHAT A SHAME. NOTICE AND WATCH THESE OSAS PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS WHO CLAIM AND DECLARE THAT “FAITH ALONE” SAVES AND IT IS “NOT BY WÒRKS” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE, WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND COLLECTS TITHES FROM THEIR MEMBERS SAYING THAT IF THEY WOULD NOT GIVE TITHES, THEY ARE ROBBING GOD.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.

..THAT TITHE-GIVING IS A TEST OF FAITH AND THAT GOD WILL BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY BECAUSE WHAT THEY GIVE WILL COME BACK TO THEM IN GOOD MEASURE AND RUNNING OVER.(luke 6:38)

THAT’S HOW THESE VIPERS IN THEIR GREED AND HYPOCRISY DECEIVE THEIR PREYS(UNKNOWING VICTIMS)

THEY THINK THEY CAN BRIBE GOD.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

THESE VIPERS WILL STILL BE SAVED ACCORDING TO THE OSAS DOCTRINE…

...WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or GREEDY, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or GREEDY person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.


MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)


DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;


“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE


DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!


OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES!!!


3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”

No losing salvation is a manmade doctrine.
If somebody remains disobedient that would proof he was never saved. the Bible says so.

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1 John 3:6

No true Christian will become an adulterer or whoremonger!

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1 John 5:4
Is that a lie from the devil?

 

[LW97]

I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that menshould fear before him. Ecclesiastes 3:14

 

[Seohce]

No losing salvation is a manmade doctrine.
If somebody remains disobedient that would proof he was never saved. the Bible says so.

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1 John 3:6

No true Christian will become an adulterer or whoremonger!

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1 John 5:4
Is that a lie from the devil?

6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associatewith sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

 

[Seohce]

The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People

3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, WHO PERVERT THE ĢRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALIYY and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.

11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.

17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

 

[justpassinthrough]

Do you think that if you are exposed to "ungodly sights and sounds, and people" you will start to sin?

When I say ungodly sights and sounds, I’m referring to secular music and television as well as anything on the internet that is unseemly.


This is the choice to be set apart unto Him.

Consecrated.



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

I believe you confess your sin to whoever you have wronged. I can promise you that both you and I and every person alive today sins constantly and there is no way we could confess even part of the sins we do. We are to confess our sins one to another.

Speak for yourself.


Not me.


Your very deceived, if you think you can sin and think you still have eternal life without confessing your sin to Him and being forgiven.


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

Your representation of the Gospel is a lie, I am living proof that you're a liar.

I stated what OSAS teaches.


OSAS is not the Gospel.



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

I sin much less these days, but I still need to repent every time I do and He is still faithful to forgive and He will continue to forgive me for the rest of my life.

Amen

 

[stonesoffire]

John is referring to two brothers in Christ in his example -


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15


Whoever is a reference to a brother in Christ.

His brother refers to his brother in Christ.


Only children of God are expected to love.


The world is already condemned.


John's example is about how one brother in Christ is to treat another brother in Christ; "his brother" demonstrates this truth.


Not his "false brother".


His brother.



But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Luke 8:21





JPT

So your point is?

I stand by my answer.

 

[justpassinthrough]

So I have no idea where you came up with this ludicrous idea that a Christian can lose his salvation,

Brother you repented and God forgave you.


There are millions of Christians believing they can live that way without repenting or confessing their sin and still be saved on the Day of Judgement.


Paul’s says it this way -


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21


Do you understand what “inherit the kingdom of God” means ?



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

So your point is?

I stand by my answer.

I thought I thoroughly made my point with scripture.



Christian’s who hate other Christian’s no longer have eternal life in them.



What’s your point?

 

[justpassinthrough]

No true Christian will live disobedient to the Lord.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God. 3 John 11

If this person has never seen God then he was never saved

OSAS teaches that born again Christian’s can live in sin and still be reconciled to God.



JPT

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I stated what OSAS teaches.


OSAS is not the Gospel.



JPT

Your right, OSAS is not the gospel

The Gospel is God so loved the world that he sent his son, that whoever places their faith in him shall never die, but has in their possession eternal life.

this the gospel supports Once Saved Always Saved. (eternal life)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I thought I thoroughly made my point with scripture.



Christian’s who hate other Christian’s no longer have eternal life in them.



What’s your point?

True christians do not hate, They LOVE, Because God first LOVED them. Thus they can not Hate (they may not love people perfectly but they do not HATE people)

 

[Shamah]

True christians do not hate, They LOVE, Because God first LOVED them. Thus they can not Hate (they may not love people perfectly but they do not HATE people)

I don't think we are supposed to hate people, that is evident here:

Leviticus 19:
17, "‘Do not hate your brother in your heart. Reprove your neighbor, for certain, and bear no sin because of him."
34, "‘Let the stranger who dwells among you be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself. For you were strangers in the land of Mitsrayim. I am יהוה your Strength."


but we are supposed to hate evil:

Hating Evil

Hebrews 1:9
Verse Concepts

"YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."

Proverbs 8:13
Verse Concepts

"The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverted mouth, I hate.
Psalm 97:10
Verse Concepts

Hate evil, you who love the LORD, Who preserves the souls of His godly ones; He delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
Amos 5:15
Verse Concepts

Hate evil, love good, And establish justice in the gate! Perhaps the LORD God of hosts May be gracious to the remnant of Joseph.
Romans 12:9
Verse Concepts

Let love be without hypocrisy Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good.
Exodus 18:21
Verse Concepts

"Furthermore, you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, men of truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them as leaders of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties and of tens.
Psalm 119:104
Verse Concepts

From Your precepts I get understanding; Therefore I hate every false way.
Psalm 119:128
Verse Concepts

Therefore I esteem right all Your precepts concerning everything, I hate every false way.
Proverbs 13:5
Verse Concepts

A righteous man hates falsehood, But a wicked man acts disgustingly and shamefully.
Psalm 119:163
Verse Concepts

I hate and despise falsehood, But I love Your law.
Psalm 101:3
Verse Concepts

I will set no worthless thing before my eyes; I hate the work of those who fall away; It shall not fasten its grip on me.
Proverbs 15:27
Verse Concepts

He who profits illicitly troubles his own house, But he who hates bribes will live.
Psalm 45:7
Verse Concepts

You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of joy above Your fellows.

 

[LW97]

OSAS teaches that born again Christian’s can live in sin and still be reconciled to God.



JPT

Yes, but I don't believe that. The Bible is clear that Christians are new creatures and don't desire to sin

 

[LW97]

I thought I thoroughly made my point with scripture.



Christian’s who hate other Christian’s no longer have eternal life in them.



What’s your point?

False, they never were true Christians, they never had eternal life, read 1 John 2:19

 

[LW97]

Speak for yourself.


Not me.


Your very deceived, if you think you can sin and think you still have eternal life without confessing your sin to Him and being forgiven.


He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4



JPT

It says the truth is not in him. Not that the truth was ever in him, see 1 John 3:6