Did you all know that there are three heavens

[dcontroversal]

Right he goes in and out of the second heaven. I don't know where that one above us came from.

I believe there is evidence in Genesis 1 and 2 that Satan was already here and fallen when God renovates/creates.....the word Good does not mean what we would naturally assume good means.....a break down of the word carries the idea of usable, acceptable and he applies to the word to everything he makes except when he makes the heavens (where the celestial bodies revolve and or the birds of the air fly ) , and when he makes man....

I realize HE generically applies it to all that he made (it is all acceptable or usable) for his purpose, but

a. MAN is not good
b. The heavens (bolded above) is where Satan dwells and could not be called good IMO

 

[pjharrison]

I believe there is evidence in Genesis 1 and 2 that Satan was already here and fallen when God renovates/creates.....the word Good does not mean what we would naturally assume good means.....a break down of the word carries the idea of usable, acceptable and he applies to the word to everything he makes except when he makes the heavens (where the celestial bodies revolve and or the birds of the air fly ) , and when he makes man....

I realize HE generically applies it to all that he made (it is all acceptable or usable) for his purpose, but

a. MAN is not good
b. The heavens (bolded above) is where Satan dwells and could not be called good IMO

Where in the bible does it explain this-I believe there is evidence in Genesis 1 and 2 that Satan was already here and fallen when God renovates/creates.

 

[dcontroversal]

Where in the bible does it explain this-I believe there is evidence in Genesis 1 and 2 that Satan was already here and fallen when God renovates/creates.

It is implied in the use of the word good applied unto each day of creation except when God makes the heavens and man......

For example, when God makes the light in verse 3, in verse 4 he states that it is GOOD (acceptable, usable, etc) he does this for every day of creation EXCEPT when he creates the heavens and man....WHY?

My view.....the reason he does not APPLY the word Good to the heavens is because the Prince of the Power of the Air was Already here and had already fallen.....the implication with man is obvious....

He does apply the word good (acceptable, usable, beautiful etc. to all of creation as a whole, but does not apply it individually to the heavens and or man on the days he creates both......

 

[pjharrison]

It is implied in the use of the word good applied unto each day of creation except when God makes the heavens and man......

For example, when God makes the light in verse 3, in verse 4 he states that it is GOOD (acceptable, usable, etc) he does this for every day of creation EXCEPT when he creates the heavens and man....WHY?

My view.....the reason he does not APPLY the word Good to the heavens is because the Prince of the Power of the Air was Already here and had already fallen.....the implication with man is obvious....

He does apply the word good (acceptable, usable, beautiful etc. to all of creation as a whole, but does not apply it individually to the heavens and or man on the days he creates both......

This is talking about Satan. He was in the G=garden of Eden. He was a cherub. Ezekiel 28: 11-17
11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.[b]
Your settings and mountings[c] were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;

 

[dcontroversal]

This is talking about Satan. He was in the G=garden of Eden. He was a cherub. Ezekiel 28: 11-17
11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says:

“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.[b]
Your settings and mountings[c] were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;

Yes I know....and it was the Garden that was EASTWARD in EDEN....and my point...HE was already here as God was creating or renovating in Genesis.......look at his fall...

He wanted to ASCEND above the CLOUDS, ASCEND above the heaven, place his throne ABOVE the throne of GOD...TO ascend ABOVE the clouds and above HEAVEN he had to be BELOW them...and if he was already FALLEN before GENESIS 1-2.....then there is a whole NEW CLUE to what was BEFORE the CREATION of GENESIS

 

[pjharrison]

Yes I know....and it was the Garden that was EASTWARD in EDEN....and my point...HE was already here as God was creating or renovating in Genesis.......look at his fall...

He wanted to ASCEND above the CLOUDS, ASCEND above the heaven, place his throne ABOVE the throne of GOD...TO ascend ABOVE the clouds and above HEAVEN he had to be BELOW them...and if he was already FALLEN before GENESIS 1-2.....then there is a whole NEW CLUE to what was BEFORE the CREATION of GENESIS

If he had already been cast out he wouldn't have still been a cherub in all his spender.

 

[Zmouth]

That was before the flood , when God shorten the years of man. Men were living too long.

Do you remember who Jesus said your father was?

 

[NayborBear]

Do you still attend Church?

Perhaps a dozen different churches or thereabouts, in the past 30+ years. Usually only one time. Do I currently attend a Church of stone? No. As His Spirit leads me? I'll go!

 

[pjharrison]

Do you remember who Jesus said your father was?

Yes I said the years of men, not God.

 

[pjharrison]

Perhaps a dozen different churches or thereabouts, in the past 30+ years. Usually only one time. Do I currently attend a Church of stone? No. As His Spirit leads me? I'll go!

ok

 

[NayborBear]

Well, all things are possible to them that believe. Kinda like that one member who posted "first off, THERE IS NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of scripture:" as if we are bound to his prophesy of scripture that there is no private interpretation of scripture. {Just between you and me he is real sensitive so he will start gnashing and foaming at anything but I am probably preaching to the choir}
But remember what is written in John 3:11 regarding what they know, not what one believes and what they seen, not ones imagination.

Yet the important part of 1 John 2:26-27 is verse 28

And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

2 Cor 4:18

It seems in "these types" of venues, there are many a "fly, on the wall." )

Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Is been my "observation", that this "action" from GOD, is something more, then the "GIFT Of The Holy Spirit."

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, "AND IN THE REMNANT" whom the Lord shall call.

At least 3 times, over the course covering roughly 15 years of my life prior to these 30+ years after I "answered?", I have "heard" this call! "Are you ready yet?" My answer, in all but, the last call was always: "No, not yet!" This "call" came clear as a bell, to me, in every instance. I dunno how many "born of water" were under God's "protection", from the moment, we were born, from this "locust army." I only "know?" I am one of 'em!
Joel 2
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: (not LITERALLY...but, INTERNALLY/Spiritually speaking)
11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
12 Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God?

It's not my call to condemn honest and honorable people who believe and follow Christ, and the Apostle's/Disciple's word's and teachings (for, I do the same). For the enemy is Great and POWERFUL! And, is become "Grossly Underestimated", in the length and breadth of the damage it wreaks!

But, we should be made cognizant, all of us, that the "Fulness of the Gentiles" is nigh at hand!

The "difference" between "private interpretation", and "personal revelation", reminds me of a story about 3 guys that went out and bought some ice cream. After being served, and come time to pay for it? 2 of the guys didn't have any money. But, the 3rd guy left his money at home. "I'll go home and get the money." he said, "but, don't eat my ice cream while I'm gone!" "We won't!" said the other 2. Well? After awhile, the guy with the money didn't show up, didn't show up, and the other 2 said "maybe we should eat his ice cream, before it all melts." And, a voice came from around the corner saying "I'm not going to go, if you eat my ice cream!"

The "problem" it seems, is not giving unto Christ that which the Father has given Him. It's giving unto the Father that which belongs to HIM!

 

[dcontroversal]

If he had already been cast out he wouldn't have still been a cherub in all his spender.

Your missing the obvious and ignoring the facts.......

 

[pjharrison]

Your missing the obvious and ignoring the facts.......[/QUOT

Your missing the obvious and ignoring the facts.......

He may have already been kicked out, but why would he be in the garden as a cherub. For what purpose. The angels were created to serve humans.

 

[trofimus]

He may have already been kicked out, but why would he be in the garden as a cherub. For what purpose. The angels were created to serve humans.

The fact that some angels serve those who are elected to come to salvation does not mean that all angels as such are created to serve humans, that its their primary purpose.

The fact that some humans are helping in a dog pound does not mean that all humans are created to serve dogs.

 

[Zmouth]

The "difference" between "private interpretation", and "personal revelation", reminds me of a story

When you say there is a different between private interpretation an personal relevation is it reminds you of a story?

If the hear the voice of the LORD tell you something and you verify it in scripture then it is not a private interpretation, it is faith;
and hearing the voice of the LORD tell you something that is not in the scripture is not a personal revelation, it is friendship.

So you ever hear about the story about the book and the two witnesses? It goes something like this:
So a book is handed to one man who asked to read it, and the man says I cannot for I haven't been taught to read;
So the book is then handed to the other man who has been taught to read, and he says I cannot for it is sealed.
So who was the book then handed to according to scripture?

The "difference" between "private interpretation", and "personal revelation", reminds me of a story about 3 guys that went out and bought some ice cream. After being served, and come time to pay for it? 2 of the guys didn't have any money. But, the 3rd guy left his money at home. "I'll go home and get the money." he said, "but, don't eat my ice cream while I'm gone!" "We won't!" said the other 2. Well? After awhile, the guy with the money didn't show up, didn't show up, and the other 2 said "maybe we should eat his ice cream, before it all melts." And, a voice came from around the corner saying "I'm not going to go, if you eat my ice cream!"

Where is this ice cream shop at? Cause if they are giving away free ice cream then it sounds like the place to go. Why would anyone buy something they don't have the money to pay for it since no ice cream shop serves you first without paying. But I digress, what would you have done, eaten it or left it? Since my LORD told me not to listen to voices then I would have ate the free ice cream.

 

[pjharrison]

The fact that some angels serve those who are elected to come to salvation does not mean that all angels as such are created to serve humans, that its their primary purpose.

The fact that some humans are helping in a dog pound does not mean that all humans are created to serve dogs.

Angels are ministering spirits

 

[dcontroversal]

He may have already been kicked out, but why would he be in the garden as a cherub. For what purpose. The angels were created to serve humans.

I never said he was in the garden as a cherub....I said he had already fallen and was already here as Satan before God creates/renovates in Genesis as evidenced by the use of the word good and what it is NOT applied unto.....

 

[trofimus]

Angels are ministering spirits

I illustrated to you that you draw bad conclusions from many verses, including this one.

 

[pjharrison]

I never said he was in the garden as a cherub....I said he had already fallen and was already here as Satan before God creates/renovates in Genesis as evidenced by the use of the word good and what it is NOT applied unto.....

Are you saying that he was on the earth before God did creation? The earth wasn't even here until God created it.

 

[pjharrison]

I illustrated to you that you draw bad conclusions from many verses, including this one.

I think you need to start all over again. To be taught about creation all over again. You say I don't understand, but I think I've got you beat, the way you twisted creation in that thread you started.