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You apparently do not know that 'may be' is not even in the text: https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1co/5/1/t_conc_1067005
That makes it even more emphatic than our English rendering.
This sinning fellow HAS to be turned over to the destruction of his fleshly desires to be saved in the Day of Christ. But your ridiculous 'once saved always saved, no matter what' doctrine says he is already saved and his living in sin does not matter. If that were true that would make dying to the flesh unnecessary. But Paul says to turn him over to it for him to be saved in the Day of Christ.
That's right, his spirit, that makes it all the more clear that this is about his salvation. Paul says he is to be turned over to the destruction of the desires of his flesh to be saved when Jesus comes back. But you say Paul is wrong and that isn't necessary to be saved when Jesus comes back because he is already saved and can't lose his salvation.
I'm telling people to continue to believe in Jesus so they will be saved when Jesus comes back. You are telling people they can stop believing in him and they will still be saved when Jesus comes back. And I'm the one doing the wrong thing????? Good Lord, talk about calling white black, and black white.
One of us is going to be paying the price for causing people who believe in Jesus to stumble and go to the eternal fire (Matthew 18:6-9) and it ain't me. I'm telling them to keep believing in Jesus. You're telling them they can stop believing in him. Wouldn't want to be you. You've got a load of payback waiting for you. Repent while you still have a chance.
That makes it even more emphatic than our English rendering.
This sinning fellow HAS to be turned over to the destruction of his fleshly desires to be saved in the Day of Christ. But your ridiculous 'once saved always saved, no matter what' doctrine says he is already saved and his living in sin does not matter. If that were true that would make dying to the flesh unnecessary. But Paul says to turn him over to it for him to be saved in the Day of Christ.
That's right, his spirit, that makes it all the more clear that this is about his salvation. Paul says he is to be turned over to the destruction of the desires of his flesh to be saved when Jesus comes back. But you say Paul is wrong and that isn't necessary to be saved when Jesus comes back because he is already saved and can't lose his salvation.
I'm telling people to continue to believe in Jesus so they will be saved when Jesus comes back. You are telling people they can stop believing in him and they will still be saved when Jesus comes back. And I'm the one doing the wrong thing????? Good Lord, talk about calling white black, and black white.
One of us is going to be paying the price for causing people who believe in Jesus to stumble and go to the eternal fire (Matthew 18:6-9) and it ain't me. I'm telling them to keep believing in Jesus. You're telling them they can stop believing in him. Wouldn't want to be you. You've got a load of payback waiting for you. Repent while you still have a chance.
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Don't leave out that it's God's will that you be holy and abstain from sexual sin (1 Thessalonians 4:3), that you do right in obeying the governing authorities (1 Peter 2:15), and that you suffer according to God's will (1 Peter 4:19). And there's much more than that, so don't think you've done the sum total of the Father's will just because you accepted Christ.
"21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. " - Matthew 7:21
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"21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. " - Matthew 7:21
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Not even remotely true. Anyone who has done any witnessing knows this is not true. You are almost guaranteed to be in some kind of debate about what's right and what's wrong when you witness to an unbeliever. And obviously it is not true that witnessing NEVER brings people to Christ. Debate can be healthy and productive. At the very least it's a good way to plant seeds that come to fruition later.
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There is a difference between doing God's will IN ORDER TO BECOME SAVED = John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
AND DOING GOD'S WILL AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED (as you discussed above) and in 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
AND DOING GOD'S WILL AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED (as you discussed above) and in 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. 15 See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
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don't leave out
matthew 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
matthew 7 isnt speaking about anyone losing salvation
it is about people who were never saved....
trying to defend themself with their works
matthew 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
matthew 7 isnt speaking about anyone losing salvation
it is about people who were never saved....
trying to defend themself with their works
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don't leave out
matthew 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
matthew 7 isnt speaking about anyone losing salvation
it is about people who were never saved....
trying to defend themself with their works
matthew 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
matthew 7 isnt speaking about anyone losing salvation
it is about people who were never saved....
trying to defend themself with their works
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Luk6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
Mat7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
Luk6:47 As for those who come to me and hear my words and put them into practice, I will show you what they are like.
Mat7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Luk6:48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
Mat7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Luk6:49 But those who hear my words and do not put them into practice are like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
Mat7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
Mat7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
Luk6:47 As for those who come to me and hear my words and put them into practice, I will show you what they are like.
Mat7:24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Luk6:48 They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
Mat7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Luk6:49 But those who hear my words and do not put them into practice are like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”
Mat7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
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don't leave out
matthew 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
matthew 7 isnt speaking about anyone losing salvation
it is about people who were never saved....
trying to defend themself with their works
matthew 7
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
matthew 7 isnt speaking about anyone losing salvation
it is about people who were never saved....
trying to defend themself with their works
It is the immature believer who is saved but doesn't know God intimately that can fall away. That's soil #2 in the Parable of the sower. Only the mature fruit bearing believer with a heart of soil #4 will not cast the word of the gospel from his heart when times get tough.
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Every Protestant knows this.
The point--that you agree with, whether you realize it or not--is that, ultimately, in the end, dead faith signifies the absence of believing. That's why the person who does not do the will of the Father will be destroyed. It's not just because he has no works of righteousness, but because his lack of righteous works shows he does not have the righteousness that comes through faith and is not a believer.
The point--that you agree with, whether you realize it or not--is that, ultimately, in the end, dead faith signifies the absence of believing. That's why the person who does not do the will of the Father will be destroyed. It's not just because he has no works of righteousness, but because his lack of righteous works shows he does not have the righteousness that comes through faith and is not a believer.
So Jesus only bore the burden of only some of our sins, and the debt is partially paid depending upon how we perform?
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A negative view and incorrect.
Christ paid the full price and offers us forgiveness under certain conditions that we are to obey.
The Bible tells us that ....very simply..
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