Calvinism vs. Arminianism?
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This is very ironic, since my experience on this discussion board is that those from the Calvinist camp have been to some degree, not all, been those that promote the stern belief that born again believers will have proof of their conversion by their behaviour, yet they do not hold their own leader to the same standard of behaviour.
Another thing I find fascinating is that we accept 80 to 90% of what we believe based on the authority of others.
While you have dismissed his personality, fair enough, you have accepted his authority without question, yet you have available the written word, the Holy Spirit and resources to help you understand the culture, the language and history to at least test the doctrine of someone you do not even know.
Another thing I find fascinating is that we accept 80 to 90% of what we believe based on the authority of others.
While you have dismissed his personality, fair enough, you have accepted his authority without question, yet you have available the written word, the Holy Spirit and resources to help you understand the culture, the language and history to at least test the doctrine of someone you do not even know.
I understand the scriptures differently than most of those that are referred to as Calvinistic, in that I do believe that God allowed man to have free will in the things pertaining to his life here on earth, but man's eternal destination is a choice made by the grace of God, without the help of man. Deut 10:19, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live, verse 20, That thou mayest love thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him, for this is thy life, and length of days. This is not talking about choosing eternal life, but a life in obedience to God. There are many scriptures telling the children of God to choose things, but I think our choices are influenced by ether our spiritual nature or our fleshly nature. The scriptures never tells the natural man, void of the Spirit, to choose. It is always telling the children of God to choose.
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Such potty mouth, fallen sinful understanding why u say that because the poster doesn't agree, in Geneva back when John Calvin was alive and his thoery doctrine was the law of Geneva if any person spoke openly that Jesus died for all, they were accused of heresy and decaputated basically murdered. I see the same in your statement basically.
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The truth must be protected, it's more important than individual lives. I'm not for killing people but that's because we live in the new enlightened age, where everyone's view is equally valid and there is no absolute truth. The truth is subjective and everyone makes up their own truth.
The christian community is no different, we call it ecumenicalism. The Pope invited all the religions of the world to join him in a spiritual orgy and anyone who refused to join him was branded a radical bigot and fundamental extremest.
The christian community is no different, we call it ecumenicalism. The Pope invited all the religions of the world to join him in a spiritual orgy and anyone who refused to join him was branded a radical bigot and fundamental extremest.
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Most of your posts are Calvinism is right and since I believe in his doctrine I am right.
His doctrine is all about explaining the fore ordained, the foreknowledge of God, which pulls in free will and determinism etc., etc.,
I am not even sure anyone needs to have those answers, one can just stay with the Gospel of Christ Jesus and his death and resurrection finished and accomplished for our eternal salvation.
His doctrine is all about explaining the fore ordained, the foreknowledge of God, which pulls in free will and determinism etc., etc.,
I am not even sure anyone needs to have those answers, one can just stay with the Gospel of Christ Jesus and his death and resurrection finished and accomplished for our eternal salvation.
Calvinism is all about giving God the glory and honor He deserves, the other view takes it away from God and gives it to wicked men so it is very important to get it right.
You may be saved and not deal with this issue, but your reward in heaven may only be a small one. When you give God all the glory for everything and leave nothing for yourself, then you put yourself in the right place and you can please God.
You may be saved and not deal with this issue, but your reward in heaven may only be a small one. When you give God all the glory for everything and leave nothing for yourself, then you put yourself in the right place and you can please God.
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Calvinism robs God at the very start from any glory by making Him the author of evil and makes Him responsible for the actions of the wicked men. So how does that elevate Him to your high, glorious, grand status?
The appeal of this schema has a lot more to do with other internal biases and prejudices than objective external truth and I know because I was there.
What can I say, I know you cannot see it today..... anyway ...... there is always tomorrow.
The appeal of this schema has a lot more to do with other internal biases and prejudices than objective external truth and I know because I was there.
What can I say, I know you cannot see it today..... anyway ...... there is always tomorrow.
Calvinism robs God at the very start from any glory by making Him the author of evil and makes Him responsible for the actions of the wicked men. So how does that elevate Him to your high, glorious, grand status?
The appeal of this schema has a lot more to do with other internal biases and prejudices than objective external truth and I know because I was there.
What can I say, I know you cannot see it today..... anyway ...... there is always tomorrow.
The appeal of this schema has a lot more to do with other internal biases and prejudices than objective external truth and I know because I was there.
What can I say, I know you cannot see it today..... anyway ...... there is always tomorrow.
