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Here is a good link to the meaning of the verb, πιστεύω by my Greek professor, based on the best sources!
https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/pisteuo
https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/pisteuo
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You do know that Jesus paid the price for sin, right? He paid it “once for all!”
”But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.” Hebrews 10:12-14
This means that just because we sin, doesn’t mean Jesus has to die again. He has already paid the price, the price which we can never pay!
You are talking about some kind of “works salvation” in which your constant repentance earns your salvation, over and over until eternity, in which hopefully you have confessed all your sin, and didn’t think so much as a wrong thought on your death bed.
That is NOT the gospel! Christ paid the price, once for all! This is some kind of modified Catholic salvation, and they even set up a way side station, in case you died not having received absolution from a priest for every sin, big and small, that you committed!
And of course, the Holy Spirit leads and guides us as we are sanctified! We do allow the Holy Spirit to transform us into the image of Christ! That is my hope!
”And we all, with unveiled faces reflecting the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, which is from the Lord, who is the Spirit.” 2 Cor. 3:18
”But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.” Hebrews 10:12-14
This means that just because we sin, doesn’t mean Jesus has to die again. He has already paid the price, the price which we can never pay!
You are talking about some kind of “works salvation” in which your constant repentance earns your salvation, over and over until eternity, in which hopefully you have confessed all your sin, and didn’t think so much as a wrong thought on your death bed.
That is NOT the gospel! Christ paid the price, once for all! This is some kind of modified Catholic salvation, and they even set up a way side station, in case you died not having received absolution from a priest for every sin, big and small, that you committed!
And of course, the Holy Spirit leads and guides us as we are sanctified! We do allow the Holy Spirit to transform us into the image of Christ! That is my hope!
”And we all, with unveiled faces reflecting the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, which is from the Lord, who is the Spirit.” 2 Cor. 3:18
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And yet you did not address the scripture given in the post you responded to.
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant (sinner) abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free (being a servant of sin), ye shall be free indeed.
(Joh 8:34-36 KJV)
Paul speaks of this freedom from sin that Jesus shares with us!
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
(Rom 6:1-6 KJV)
Then after Paul in chapter seven gives "his testimony" that knowledge of the law can not and was not saving him from his carnal nature he proclaims the victory in chapter eight.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law (the knowledge of it) could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh (taking it away; nailing it to the cross): That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind (entertain; think on) the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded (inclined; purposed) is death; but to be spiritually minded (inclined; purposed) is life and peace.
(Rom 8:2-6 KJV)
Mainly due to the fact it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure; not us but Christ, in all humility Paul in speaking of being resurrected and living without sin (being perfected) he states of himself.
Not that I already received or already have been perfected, but I press on, if I also may lay hold, inasmuch as I also was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. Brothers, I do not count myself to have laid hold, but one thing I do , forgetting the things behind, and stretching forward to those things before, I press on after the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Then as many as are perfect, let us be of this mind; and if you think anything differently, God will also reveal this to you.
(Php 3:12-15 LITV-TSP)
In verse 15 Paul testifies that some were already perfect and have reached the high calling of GOD through Christ Jesus. Not that they thought that of themselves but Paul testifies they were.
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant (sinner) abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free (being a servant of sin), ye shall be free indeed.
(Joh 8:34-36 KJV)
Paul speaks of this freedom from sin that Jesus shares with us!
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
(Rom 6:1-6 KJV)
Then after Paul in chapter seven gives "his testimony" that knowledge of the law can not and was not saving him from his carnal nature he proclaims the victory in chapter eight.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law (the knowledge of it) could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh (taking it away; nailing it to the cross): That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind (entertain; think on) the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded (inclined; purposed) is death; but to be spiritually minded (inclined; purposed) is life and peace.
(Rom 8:2-6 KJV)
Mainly due to the fact it is GOD that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure; not us but Christ, in all humility Paul in speaking of being resurrected and living without sin (being perfected) he states of himself.
Not that I already received or already have been perfected, but I press on, if I also may lay hold, inasmuch as I also was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. Brothers, I do not count myself to have laid hold, but one thing I do , forgetting the things behind, and stretching forward to those things before, I press on after the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Then as many as are perfect, let us be of this mind; and if you think anything differently, God will also reveal this to you.
(Php 3:12-15 LITV-TSP)
In verse 15 Paul testifies that some were already perfect and have reached the high calling of GOD through Christ Jesus. Not that they thought that of themselves but Paul testifies they were.
If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as you teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) *Also, in Romans 8:30, we read - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them.
Instead of protecting your predetermined doctrine you need to honestly consider the context.
*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation.
*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul clearly explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.
In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.
So after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but who has committed apostasy by renouncing his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew Christian community was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
In Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). *Notice how I properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine.*
Hebrews 10:26 - (AMP) For if we go on willfully and deliberately sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice [to atone] for our sins [that is, no further offering to anticipate].
In regards to Hebrews 6, in verse 9, we read "But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning YOU, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner." I've heard three different interpretations for Hebrews 6:4-6 (hypothetical view, lost salvation view, never truly saved view) but am not convinced that it teaches a really "saved" person really "lost their salvation." NOWHERE does the Bible use the words "lost salvation."
In Hebrews 4:2-3, we read: For indeed the gospel was preached to US as well as to THEM; but the word which THEY heard did not profit THEM, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For WE who have BELIEVED do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest," although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. *Notice that verses 2-3 makes a distinction between "us" who have BELIEVED and do enter that rest and "them" who heard the word but did not mix faith with what they heard and will not enter that rest because of UNBELIEF.
Also, in Hebrews 12:15, we read, "See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God.. (NASB) The ESV reads - ..fails to obtain the grace of God. The NIV reads - ..falls short of the grace of God. No loss of salvation here. Only a failure to receive it.
No need for straw man arguments. I reached my conclusion through *properly harmonizing scripture with scripture* and not through blindly trusting theologians. It's interesting how works-salvationists in general who attend various false religions and cults ALL unanimously agree with your biased view of losing salvation (red flag!) and look at what a mess they have made of the gospel! If they can miss the plain words about the gospel/the plan of salvation, then they can surely miss the plain words about the eternal security of the believer.
Another straw man argument. Bereans examine the scriptures to see if what is being taught is the truth, which would *include properly harmonizing scripture with scripture* in order to reach the proper conclusion on doctrine, which is exactly what I have done.
I've listened to enough Roman Catholic theologians in the past who hold to your biased view about losing salvation and prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I was one that roller coaster ride of fear and bondage to IN-security, but after my conversion, I no longer live in fear and bondage to IN-security about my salvation. I trust whole heartedly in my faithful Shepherd and Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to not only save me from the PENALTY of sin (justification) but also save me from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification). My eternal security rests in Jesus Christ. Praise God!
Instead of protecting your predetermined doctrine you need to honestly consider the context.
*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation.
*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul clearly explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the Sabbath was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), the Lord was saved (Leviticus 10:3), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.
In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to unbelievers, not saved people: But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.
So after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as an active participant in the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but who has committed apostasy by renouncing his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew Christian community was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
In Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). *Notice how I properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine.*
Hebrews 10:26 - (AMP) For if we go on willfully and deliberately sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice [to atone] for our sins [that is, no further offering to anticipate].
In regards to Hebrews 6, in verse 9, we read "But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning YOU, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner." I've heard three different interpretations for Hebrews 6:4-6 (hypothetical view, lost salvation view, never truly saved view) but am not convinced that it teaches a really "saved" person really "lost their salvation." NOWHERE does the Bible use the words "lost salvation."
In Hebrews 4:2-3, we read: For indeed the gospel was preached to US as well as to THEM; but the word which THEY heard did not profit THEM, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For WE who have BELIEVED do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest," although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. *Notice that verses 2-3 makes a distinction between "us" who have BELIEVED and do enter that rest and "them" who heard the word but did not mix faith with what they heard and will not enter that rest because of UNBELIEF.
Also, in Hebrews 12:15, we read, "See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God.. (NASB) The ESV reads - ..fails to obtain the grace of God. The NIV reads - ..falls short of the grace of God. No loss of salvation here. Only a failure to receive it.
No need for straw man arguments. I reached my conclusion through *properly harmonizing scripture with scripture* and not through blindly trusting theologians. It's interesting how works-salvationists in general who attend various false religions and cults ALL unanimously agree with your biased view of losing salvation (red flag!) and look at what a mess they have made of the gospel! If they can miss the plain words about the gospel/the plan of salvation, then they can surely miss the plain words about the eternal security of the believer.
Another straw man argument. Bereans examine the scriptures to see if what is being taught is the truth, which would *include properly harmonizing scripture with scripture* in order to reach the proper conclusion on doctrine, which is exactly what I have done.
I've listened to enough Roman Catholic theologians in the past who hold to your biased view about losing salvation and prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I was one that roller coaster ride of fear and bondage to IN-security, but after my conversion, I no longer live in fear and bondage to IN-security about my salvation. I trust whole heartedly in my faithful Shepherd and Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to not only save me from the PENALTY of sin (justification) but also save me from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification). My eternal security rests in Jesus Christ. Praise God!
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No it does not. In regards to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION. The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21) not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).
Hebrews 10:26 (AMP) For if we go on willfully and deliberately sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth (descriptive of the unrighteous - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21 who practice sin and not the righteous who are born of God - 1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9), there no longer remains a sacrifice [to atone] for their sins [that is, no further offering to anticipate]. The writer of Hebrews did not say "no longer saved." That is your preconceived belief. Once these Hebrews reject the knowledge of the truth by drawing back to perdition instead of believing to the saving of the soul (vs. 39) there no longer remains a sacrifice to atone for their sins/no further offering to anticipate. The offer is off the table.
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There is not one single person on this forum, when confronted with sin, who did not willfully choose to sin even, in their converted state.
Point? Apply their misinterpretation and misapplication of Hebrews 10:26 to them as well; they are just as guilty as those whom they attempt to condemn.
Point? Apply their misinterpretation and misapplication of Hebrews 10:26 to them as well; they are just as guilty as those whom they attempt to condemn.
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Philippians 3:9 - and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.
From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8,9) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works.
From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8,9) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works.
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I truly agree with you God will never take you freedom of choice away from you. you will always have that choice to serve Him or serve the world. He is a God of freedom of choice. I believe if in your heart you want to serve Him but are struggling with a issue He will bring you out. Once saved always save A Big Made Up lie. Yes he is able to keep us. But we will always have that choice to walk away from Him