BASIS FOR PURGATORY IN THE BIBLE
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Very interesting, did you know that the Vatican established Islam to stop the Protestant Church from spreading. I was told by a friend at my Church that it's a historical fact and the Koran was printed in the Vatican with the Pope editing it.
I haven't had a chance to verify this yet but the brother at Church is a very trustworthy person, he wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. You should google it as well and see what you find, it will be interesting to see what information is available since the Catholic Church controls so much media outlets and websites.
I haven't had a chance to verify this yet but the brother at Church is a very trustworthy person, he wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. You should google it as well and see what you find, it will be interesting to see what information is available since the Catholic Church controls so much media outlets and websites.
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The Protestants arrived because they protested the Roman's church taking the place of God.
Evil committed on both sides does not revoke the fact that evil was done in the name of faith. And yet, how many people has God killed in the old testament? Because they were not of the faith he protected. They were pagan, they were this or that, found worthy of death by their creator.
Women to have their babies ripped from the womb or babes bashed into the ground because of the decreed sin guilt of their people/city? Hosea 13:16.
And yet, people will say God can do anything he wants because he is God. He give life and he can taketh it away. Then what say we rightly if we condemn people operating in the name of God taking life, giving life and taking it away?
Know the God you worship.
Evil committed on both sides does not revoke the fact that evil was done in the name of faith. And yet, how many people has God killed in the old testament? Because they were not of the faith he protected. They were pagan, they were this or that, found worthy of death by their creator.
Women to have their babies ripped from the womb or babes bashed into the ground because of the decreed sin guilt of their people/city? Hosea 13:16.
And yet, people will say God can do anything he wants because he is God. He give life and he can taketh it away. Then what say we rightly if we condemn people operating in the name of God taking life, giving life and taking it away?
Know the God you worship.
J
so this spirit of burning happens in this life, where can i go to see an example of this happening?
i thnk its biblical because i let the scriptures speak for themselves and i dont blind myself by my hatred for Catholics.
the trinity disproved purgatory??
thats why its called a "doctrine", the doctrine is based on what scripture says. such as scripture saying we are judged for all our actions.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges, “the doctrine of purgatory is not explicitly stated in the Bible.” Thus, Catholicism is forced to appeal to the traditions of men rather than the testimony of God the Father through his Word. The fatal fable of purgatory is a false doctrine, regardless of how many Roman Catholics or mixed up Jews believed it to be true. - http://www.josefurban.org/purgatory-purifying-fire-or-fatal-fable-by-mike-gendron.html[/QUOTE]
these men base the idea on the Lords word.
Jesus said John the baptist was the greatest of all the prophets, yet his sect believed in these "fables"?
i thnk its biblical because i let the scriptures speak for themselves and i dont blind myself by my hatred for Catholics.
the trinity disproved purgatory??
thats why its called a "doctrine", the doctrine is based on what scripture says. such as scripture saying we are judged for all our actions.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges, “the doctrine of purgatory is not explicitly stated in the Bible.” Thus, Catholicism is forced to appeal to the traditions of men rather than the testimony of God the Father through his Word. The fatal fable of purgatory is a false doctrine, regardless of how many Roman Catholics or mixed up Jews believed it to be true. - http://www.josefurban.org/purgatory-purifying-fire-or-fatal-fable-by-mike-gendron.html[/QUOTE]
these men base the idea on the Lords word.
Jesus said John the baptist was the greatest of all the prophets, yet his sect believed in these "fables"?
The refiners fire is not about purgator/literally burning people with fire. I don’t hate Catholics (most of my family is still Catholic) and I did not say that the Trinity disproves purgatory (you missed my point) so enough with the straw man arguments. The doctrine of purgatory is based on misinterpreted scripture and pagan ideology.
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How this verses explain purgatory?
Purgatory clean every man or women from sin that is not confest in life time.
That verse say the Lord Will purg the blood of Jerusalem by the spirit of judgement and burning.
Is the blood of jerusalem mean catholic that have un confest sin?
I never heard about It. Is the spirit of burning mean purgatory?
When It happen?
Catholic purgatory has been hapening since this doctrine establish, If you read isaiah It happen in the future.
Verse 3 It came to pass he that remain in jerusalem shall be call holy
If It happen now, is he that remain in jerusalem Holy?
Most of them are not Christian, how they call Holy?
Prove catholic is Nothing but liar
Isaiah 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
5 And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.
Purgatory clean every man or women from sin that is not confest in life time.
That verse say the Lord Will purg the blood of Jerusalem by the spirit of judgement and burning.
Is the blood of jerusalem mean catholic that have un confest sin?
I never heard about It. Is the spirit of burning mean purgatory?
When It happen?
Catholic purgatory has been hapening since this doctrine establish, If you read isaiah It happen in the future.
Verse 3 It came to pass he that remain in jerusalem shall be call holy
If It happen now, is he that remain in jerusalem Holy?
Most of them are not Christian, how they call Holy?
Prove catholic is Nothing but liar
Isaiah 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
5 And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.
R
Yes:
"10For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings. 11For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren"-Hebrews 2:10-11
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"10For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings. 11For both He who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all from one Father; for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren"-Hebrews 2:10-11
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R
Peter speaks about the testing of our faith by fire, in this life, here:
12Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you; 13but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation."-1 Peter 4:12-13
"though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ"-1 Peter 1:6-7
12Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you; 13but to the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation."-1 Peter 4:12-13
"though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, 7so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ"-1 Peter 1:6-7
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I was not aware of that. I wonder if it's because those who own the site believe as such, or those who mod? Either way, one would have to question "how secure their walk in God" is, if a different view threatens them? How insecure just are believers today when we are supposed to be the conquerors, knowing that GREATER is HE that is in us than he that is in the world? And to think, the closer we get to Christ returning, the more our Adversary and his legion will attack us (since they know scripture and know they have little time left). If someone is threatened by doctrine, they will run chicken scared when all hell breaks loose upon them
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What bible version did you get that out of. There is no word purgatory in that verse.
1 peter 3: 18 -1
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1 peter 3: 18 -1
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;