BASIS FOR PURGATORY IN THE BIBLE

[jaybird88]

I completely agree 100%

Why would the pagan follower Constantine not add these other Books?

In the pagan world, numerology is a big deal. And the number 66 is actually a curse in numerology.

So, why would the pagan Constantine leave out all of these Books, and select only 66 Books if it means cursed (concerning the Word of God)?

BTW, the number 66 is also a number that discourages interest. So, did Constantine use this number to discourage others from actually reading what 66 Books that were accepted?

IMO Constintine cared nothing about Jesus, the way or spirituality in general, he was only concerned with his empire. the romans themselves were not very spiritual. he wanted a religion that the majority would follow, this makes the empire easier to control. the books accepted by the majority were the books they got. the knowledge contained in the books was irreverent. not a wise way to make a canon. and it all went down hill from there. the real Christians IMO went underground. alot like the days of Jesus when the real Jews left Jerusalem. Jesus and John brought that message back to the city.

 

[jaybird88]

So your question is where or how people answer their action

The bible say, for wrong action, go to hell, but because God so love the world, whosoever believe in Jesus Will be forgiven.

so for those that believe in Jesus there is no judgement?
and a small child that was born in a culture that never heard of Jesus, they go to hell? we would never punish an innocent person in such a way, so why do we think the heavenly Father would do such a terrible thing?

 

[Jackson123]

It is also greed to compel or frighten members to give 10 percent by some Bible based groups.

at least our priests are not compelling us to give some money for the deliverance of the souls in purgatory.

Yep I agree, but It doesn't make purgatory right.

 

[Jackson123]

so for those that believe in Jesus there is no judgement?
and a small child that was born in a culture that never heard of Jesus, they go to hell? we would never punish an innocent person in such a way, so why do we think the heavenly Father would do such a terrible thing?

The bible say whosoever believe in Jesus Will save. That is what I know. I do not know everything but at least I know whosoever believe Will be save, because that is what the bible say.

 

[Slayer]

no ones better at those money making schemes than the prosperity preachers. but they are all non Catholic. i love it when creflo does the tippy toe dance on the money.

Sorry I disagree, I believe the Catholic Church has made more money selling indulgences and giving absolution to sinners than anyone else.

I read about one of the Popes, I think it was Pope Leo the ??? who created a chart of sins and next to each sin was a price for forgiveness or absolution. All sins were listed including murder, adultery and so on, they estimate he personally made the equivalent of around $65 million in today's terms.

His life was one continues feast with a band playing and dancing girls and the fines foods and wine that money could buy. His life came to an end when he had a heart attack during an orgy with several girls.

I read about his life many years ago, it would be an interesting read if anyone wanted to check it out.

There's a lot of information about the wealth of the Catholic Church, it's power and wealth are staggering. It's history of executing Christians has been covered up, but the figure is well over 50 million Christian martyrs.

 

[rlm68]

IMO Constintine cared nothing about Jesus, the way or spirituality in general, he was only concerned with his empire. the romans themselves were not very spiritual. he wanted a religion that the majority would follow, this makes the empire easier to control. the books accepted by the majority were the books they got. the knowledge contained in the books was irreverent. not a wise way to make a canon. and it all went down hill from there. the real Christians IMO went underground. alot like the days of Jesus when the real Jews left Jerusalem. Jesus and John brought that message back to the city.

And no offense to the Catholics, but it really does seem what Constantine did was remove statues of myth gods and replaced them with statues of the Disciples, Mary, and Christ. We are not to have any idol and statues break that direct commandment.

Then the must pray to Mary to get to God is about as Satanic as it gets since that is completely opposite of what Christ taught us.

Lighting candles, prayer beads, chanting, making the sign of the cross, it's a completer joke what he made representing God.

And Peter as the first pope, when we know it was Paul who was directed by God to reach the Gentiles while Peter taught the Jews -
Galatians 2:7
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me (PAUL), as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter(PETER);

Galatians 2:7 explains Paul taught the uncircumsized (Gentiles) and Peter taught the Circumsized (Jews).
Obviously, the Romans were not Jews!!

So Peter being their pope is a definite LIE!!

 

[Ralph-]

Col 1;24
24 Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church


The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. (2016). (Col 1:24). Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

The problematic words for me are "what is lacking in Christ's afflictions". Can you explain those words?

The body of Christ includes us. We are the part of his body that is still being perfected through affliction.

 

[Jackson123]

According to this link, Jesuit/catholic own federal reserve.

I believe this is the biggest Robery ever, print money from thin air, loan It to the government and tax payer pay the interest.

Prosperity preacher is Nothing compare to catholic.

https://inpursuitofhappiness.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/jesuits-treachery-at-its-finest/

 

[CS1]

Can anyone explain with Bible verses if you disagree that the verses used are wrong before giving verses to disprove the existence of purgatory?

1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

The prison of spirits which Christ had visited after he was crucified is purgatory ( 1 Peter 3:18-19)

There is a need for purgatory in order to be cleansed because for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God as mentioned in Romans 3:23.

you cannot go to paradise if you have stain of sin:

Revelation 21:27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

The word purgatory is not in the bible that was created by the catholic church to get money out of the people . What is Biblical is what is known as the Abode of the righteous Dead and the abode of the unrighteous dead. You see this in the story Jesus tells about Lazarus and a certain rich man in Luke 16:19-31 also the place where Jesus told the thief on the cross " today you will be with me in paradise. Luke 23:39-43 The word here is holding pin or pasture . remember those who were dead before the crucifixion were in a place. This is the place were it is said Jesus went to Preach . and Lead captivity out of there . why did the eye witnesses say they saw prophets of old Matthew 27:52-53 .

We do not know fully all what happens to those who are dead but we do know that it is once for a man to die then the judgment .

yet the bible speaks of the following

1. place where the saint are and came from when Jesus died
2. Jesus said I go to prepare a place that were I AM you maybe also
3. the thief was told by Jesus he would be with Him this day in Paradise. This was said before HE rose from the dead or gave up the Ghost.
4. purgatory was used to get money from the people Fleecing the flock.
One of the very issues Martin Luther addressed in his 95 theses to catholic church.

 

[jaybird88]

Sorry I disagree, I believe the Catholic Church has made more money selling indulgences and giving absolution to sinners than anyone else.

I read about one of the Popes, I think it was Pope Leo the ??? who created a chart of sins and next to each sin was a price for forgiveness or absolution. All sins were listed including murder, adultery and so on, they estimate he personally made the equivalent of around $65 million in today's terms.

His life was one continues feast with a band playing and dancing girls and the fines foods and wine that money could buy. His life came to an end when he had a heart attack during an orgy with several girls.

I read about his life many years ago, it would be an interesting read if anyone wanted to check it out.

There's a lot of information about the wealth of the Catholic Church, it's power and wealth are staggering. It's history of executing Christians has been covered up, but the figure is well over 50 million Christian martyrs.

the Catholic leaders make money from it, the common Catholics see none of it. thats the same as protestant churches.

it was Leo the 10th and he was a real piece of garbage.
funny story about that guy. he was from the house of Medici, one of the richest banking families of the world. but unlike most other rich families who exploit the poor, the Medici were extremely generous to the common people of Florence, the church went after the family because of their patronage to the arts, they supported people like divinci, michael angelo and botticelli, they almost lost everything, to ensure that never happened again they put one of their own in the church, pope Leo, and it wasnt until after this they became a corrupt family that was hated by the masses ever since.
there has been many Catholics persecuted by protestants.

 

[Slayer]

the Catholic leaders make money from it, the common Catholics see none of it. thats the same as protestant churches.

it was Leo the 10th and he was a real piece of garbage.
funny story about that guy. he was from the house of Medici, one of the richest banking families of the world. but unlike most other rich families who exploit the poor, the Medici were extremely generous to the common people of Florence, the church went after the family because of their patronage to the arts, they supported people like divinci, michael angelo and botticelli, they almost lost everything, to ensure that never happened again they put one of their own in the church, pope Leo, and it wasnt until after this they became a corrupt family that was hated by the masses ever since.
there has been many Catholics persecuted by protestants.

I don't know how many Catholics were persecuted by the Protestants, but I do know that the Catholics executed well over 50 million Christian Saints. That is a historical fact, that's why we believe that the "great Harlot, who is drunk on the blood of Saints" as described in the book of revelation is speaking about the Catholic Church. It's the only one who fits the description.

 

[Jackson123]

Prosperity preacher may rob people, but Nothing compare with catholic

 

[Jackson123]

I don't know how many Catholics were persecuted by the Protestants, but I do know that the Catholics executed well over 50 million Christian Saints. That is a historical fact, that's why we believe that the "great Harlot, who is drunk on the blood of Saints" as described in the book of revelation is speaking about the Catholic Church. It's the only one who fits the description.

 

[Slayer]

Prosperity preacher may rob people, but Nothing compare with catholic

Be careful what you say about the Roman Catholic's, they are the most powerful organisation in the world.

 

[Adstar]

There is absolutely no basis for purgatory in the Holy Bible..

it is a false doctrine created by the catholic church that reveals their denial of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ..

Jesus paid the price for our sin on the cross.. When people say that we need to have our sins purged in a non-existent place called purgatory then they have denied the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ and shall not be cover by His Atonement..

 

[Slayer]

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6

I was blissfully unaware of the history of the Roman Catholic Church while practicing Catholicism. I was told that I was a part of the only true Church in the world, which Christ Himself established when He gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom and Peter became the first Roman Catholic Pope.

I started reading the Bible and found a different message in it, it said that salvation was not given only to Roman Catholics. So the more I studied the Bible, the more it became obvious that Roman Catholicism preaches a different Gospel.

 

[mailmandan]

Isaiah 4:4
When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning.
Micah 7:9
I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I shall behold his deliverance.

looks pretty biblical to me. not to mention Jews were teaching it long before Catholics, the the Essenes, the sect of John the baptist believed it to be true as well.

Isaiah's reference has nothing to do with purgatory and speaks of God refining people in this life, not the next. Micah 7:9 mentions nothing about purgatory either. It amazes how the unbiblical doctrine of purgatory looks Biblical to you, yet you deny the Biblical doctrine that JESUS IS GOD (Matthew 1:23; John 1:1,14; 8:58-59; 20:28; Hebrews 1:8).

Nowhere is purgatory officially depicted in the Canon of Scripture. The New Catholic Encyclopedia acknowledges, “the doctrine of purgatory is not explicitly stated in the Bible.” Thus, Catholicism is forced to appeal to the traditions of men rather than the testimony of God the Father through his Word. The fatal fable of purgatory is a false doctrine, regardless of how many Roman Catholics or mixed up Jews believed it to be true. - http://www.josefurban.org/purgatory-purifying-fire-or-fatal-fable-by-mike-gendron.html

 

[Ralph-]

Be careful what you say about the Roman Catholic's, they are the most powerful organisation in the world.

It's all part of a global network of pedophile, Luciferian elitists. Worship of Molech is alive and well on planet earth today.

If someone does not believe this, do the homework. You'll see.

 

[rlm68]

there are more like 20 - 40 books mentioned by name in the bible that are no longer in the bible. some IMO were truely lost, but most were deliberately left out due to political reasons. such as the discussion at hand.
a better discussion topic IMO would be why did church leaders want to hide this from the masses?

I believe the Gospel of Thomas was left out because it has Christ discrediting the trinity platform the RCC was pushing:

30. Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."

This is how the Messianic Jews believe: Yahweh and Yeshua = Visible and Invisible Image/Express Image, and the personal Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit.

This would have definitely messed up the RCC's trinitarian views, and most likely why anything from Thomas was not added!!

 

[Jackson123]

Be careful what you say about the Roman Catholic's, they are the most powerful organisation in the world.

Yep, I heard, catholic kill Dr Alberto rivera, he was ex jesuit, repent and tell about everything he know.

One preacher from San Diego California say, in the 60' Alberto rivera give a testinony in his church, according from what he know when he was in the vatican, there is a time when us presidential inaguration Will face obelisk. By the time, secretly us congress under vatican.

It is because when vatican has enough vote in us congress, she Will secretly instruct congress and government to do It. Obelisk is her God. And according to this preacher, It start happen in 1984 at the Ronald Reagen inaguration. Happen after 18 years Alberto say.

Also Alberto say, vatican behind nwo. An antichrist government.

Now after more than 50 years from the first Alberto rivera testimony, we see the clue, read this link