It is also greed to compel or frighten members to give 10 percent by some Bible based groups.
at least our priests are not compelling us to give some money for the deliverance of the souls in purgatory.
BASIS FOR PURGATORY IN THE BIBLE
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It is also greed to compel or frighten members to give 10 percent by some Bible based groups.
at least our priests are not compelling us to give some money for the deliverance of the souls in purgatory.
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jaybird88
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jaybird88
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When people are resurrected, whether it's at the rapture, the resurrection of the just, or the resurrection of the unjust.
The problem here with purgatory is you don't even know if your deceased loved one is already out or still in purgatory.
It is already in God's decision on the fate of his soul.
I don't even pay some cash for the deliverance of my loved one in purgatory.
why?
Proverbs 6:35 He will not regard any ransom; neither will he rest content, though thou givest many gifts.
It is already in God's decision on the fate of his soul.
I don't even pay some cash for the deliverance of my loved one in purgatory.
why?
Proverbs 6:35 He will not regard any ransom; neither will he rest content, though thou givest many gifts.
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jaybird88
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and whatever judgment is placed on you, where are you sent to carry it out? are you sent back to planet earth?
No it not even in the Apocrypha, which was legitimately removed because those books are NOT SCRIPTURE. So kindly show us exactly were you find the term "purgatory" in the actual Bible.
So how will you explain that Enoc and Elijah are in heaven?
What about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man? Lazarus is in heaven and the rich man in hell.
What about Mary who was crowned queen in Revelation 12?
Are these enough proof that dead saints are in heaven today?
I hope you will answer my questions.
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jaybird88
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legitimately removed?? did angels come down and remove them? from my understanding they were removed by men who were appointed by other men. so if your your faith is in men, sure they were legitimately removed.
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and this is the scripture (one of many):
2 Maccabees 12:46:
“Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from sin.”
Are you Catholic, since you use the Book of Maccabees as a reference of scripture?
Just asking...
I believe Enoch and Elijah are dead, awaiting resurrection.
Heb 11:
5) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
13) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Enoch was translated (moved) by God from one place to another to protect him from being killed by those seeking his life. He eventually died, as all men do (Heb 9:27).
And Elijah was carried into the sky, and moved to another place, not to heaven to be with God.
If it were possible for Enoch and Elijah to go to heaven and be with God before Jesus Christ came and paid the price for salvation, then it was not necessary for Christ to have come.
It's a parable, the point of which is in verse 31.
Rev 12 does not say Mary was crowned "queen". That's just another Roman Catholic teaching. Mary is not the "Queen of Heaven".
Who "the woman" is in Rev 12 changes a few times.
No.
I doubt you will accept my answers..
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jaybird88
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no i was brought up baptist in rural arkansas.
i considr Maccabees scripture because many followers of Jesus thought it scripture hundreds of years before the faith was imperialized by rome.
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jaybird88
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Isaiah 4:4
When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning.
Micah 7:9
I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I shall behold his deliverance.
looks pretty biblical to me. not to mention Jews were teaching it long before Catholics, the the Essenes, the sect of John the baptist believed it to be true as well.
Interesting,
It's like Jude speaking about scripture from Enoch concerning:
Jude:
Jude 1:14-15
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
***And we know Christ also quoted Enoch***
or like David and Joshua quoting from the Book of Jasher:
Joshua 10:13
13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
2 Samuel 1:18 KJV
18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)
These are just examples of Books mentioned within scripture being used by the followers of God.
So, why are these Books not in the Bible when there are references to them?
Makes it obvious the hippo council were not very insightful nor spiritual at all!!
I wonder just how many Books were left out that would have given us a more complete insight to our God?
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jaybird88
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there are more like 20 - 40 books mentioned by name in the bible that are no longer in the bible. some IMO were truely lost, but most were deliberately left out due to political reasons. such as the discussion at hand.
a better discussion topic IMO would be why did church leaders want to hide this from the masses?
I completely agree 100%
Why would the pagan follower Constantine not add these other Books?
In the pagan world, numerology is a big deal. And the number 66 is actually a curse in numerology.
So, why would the pagan Constantine leave out all of these Books, and select only 66 Books if it means cursed (concerning the Word of God)?
BTW, the number 66 is also a number that discourages interest. So, did Constantine use this number to discourage others from actually reading what 66 Books that were accepted?
So your question is where or how people answer their action
The bible say, for wrong action, go to hell, but because God so love the world, whosoever believe in Jesus Will be forgiven.